With the new matchmaking system in place, I suggest giving Germany a proper SMG — because the only real counterpart to the PPSh-41 is locked behind an event, meaning not everyone has access to it, and on top of that, it has terrible recoil.
Meanwhile, the regular PPSh has recoil like this, and overall better stats — it literally has the same spread as automatic rifles (0.22).
Suggestion: Give the MP41(r) a proper recoil pattern.
too OP 
give soviets this aswell
well since we are getting… copy paste everywhere im pretty sure we can just give ppsh41 to germans rigth???
maybe the german t34 could be fun too since we are getting copypaste everywhere :,D
(DF… stop killing the last remains of HA equipments, i really beg you)
I read somewhere that the Soviets also used PPSh, converted to 9mm cartridges. I can’t vouch for this information.
Well, German vs Soviet SMGs are balanced specifically in such way that slow firing SMGs ( like MP40 ) need two bullets to kill - while fast firing SMGs ( like PPS43 ) need three bullets to kill.
Bodyarmor destroys that principle, only because of its 10% dmg reduction we have these discussions to begin with.
Also - MP41r is pretty OP because it uses 9mm and kills with two shots unlike Soviet SMGs.
This would be also nice - Panzerkampfwagen KV-1B 756(r) (KV-1 with 7.5cm KwK 40)
PPSh-41 (Box)
Damage 6.6
Rate of Fire 1150
Statcard Recoil 21-9
Recoil Control 0.4
Actual Recoil 8-4
Dispersion 0.21
Visual Recoil 1.6
Recoil Dir 0.4
ADS Speed 0.82
MP-41(r)
Damage 6.8
Rate of Fire 1240
Statcard Recoil 15-11
Recoil Control 0.5
Actual Recoil 8-6
Dispersion 0.73
Visual Recoil 1.0
Recoil Dir 0.0
ADS Speed 0.72
MP-41(r) best weapon BR3. What’s wrong with it?
T-34 85 “sotka” with 85mm gun replaced by german 75mm kwk.
the soviets literally have the best weapon on br3, it’s the svt38, which removes any need for submachine guns at all
Yeah sure there is absolutely nothing wrong with one of this guns…
No
YES
delusional Soviet main
The issue isn’t just about skill - it’s also about math.
You always talk about “amazing German lmgs” and yet you never use them anyway.
because i don’t want to. i try to diversify my gameplay. that’s why i often change weapons and other things. if i don’t use something at a certain moment in time, it doesn’t mean i don’t use it at all.
the difference in damage is negated by armor, and then it turns out not 6.6<6.8 but 6.6>6.1
high fire rate with smaller magazine 
better they would have brought both weapons to the same value of 1150
Well done, you gave me the numbers from the table, hero, I would have given you a medal. At the very beginning I showed 2 screenshots that you ignored.
On this forum they really like numbers from tables. and it’s clear from your screenshots that improving recoil is not needed.
