MP40 vs PPD with mathematics

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Quadro i think i want the K98k AT grenade launcher for moscow. I think it would do good against light tanks. Your opinion

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  1. All stats are based on full upgraded stats so upgrade didnā€™t effect in graphs.

  2. Even in recoil aspect, PPD has advantage. PPD has 26% better vertical recoil while MP40 has only 13% on horizontal.

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I actually think it fits in better for Moscow because there are tanks it can do something about.
It would give infantry another tool for dealing with the early tanks.
No idea why they chose Normandy for it, when it does next to nothing against anything but a Stuart or Scott.

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Except you wont get the MP40 until Lvl 11 when PPD is lvl 2 so Russia noobs will dominate German noobs for quite some time in CQC theoretical speaking. How good or bad those players are well thats another thing

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MP38 is at LVL5 - which is just as good -10 rpm slower which is quite insignificant

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Mb and yeah true that one is almost similar to Mp40 for sure but still slow fire rate

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eh ā€¦

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Could also buff the MP dmg models just slight to compensate for the same accuracy and faster output from the PPDs perhaps as an solution. Personally i want the PPD to still be strong but at close range not at mid of which it can pinpoint targets easy as the Mp40

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right, but thatā€™s per shot recoil afaik. A gun shooting at 1,000 RPM is going to have effectively twice the recoil than one shooting at 500. That means a PPD actually has higher recoil because of the fact itā€™s shooting so fast, which seems to me to be the case in game.

No itā€™s straight trash, at least in my experience. 3 nades to a pumaā€™s ammo rack didnā€™t do anything. Apparently it has higher explosive power vs infantry than the other grenade launcher though, according to HJoey

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Yeah but the difference is that i can perform as good as i do with the MP40 with the PPD at mid range to so its not like one shine over the other in different situations which i thought from the start was an good balanced tradoff, but found out was not the case and was why i started to question it ^^ Long range sure there you can see a difference though a bit

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One thing that I havenā€™t seen mentioned is ammo usage. While the PPD is very strong in close range, the high ROF makes it very difficult to control your bursts and keep ammo use down, itā€™s a lot harder to make your ammo last long with Russian SMGs, even with ammo packs. German SMGs on the other hand almost donā€™t need ammo packs by default and you can make an MP 40 last far longer than a PPSH.

Russian SMGs feel very OP because they are so good in the role that SMGs are supposed to excel in, CQC, but German SMGs are still good on their own in CQC and can definitely compete with Russian SMGS at longer ranges. Combined with the improved ammo efficiency, I think itā€™s actually pretty balanced. The PPSH is the king of CQC for sure, but smgs like the MP 40 and the MP 35/I are still very good guns.

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Again with math, if you calculate the recoil including RoF, it actually shows that PPD has 15% higher vertical recoil than MP40. But, if you calculate the DPS difference, it gives 36% higher DPS for PPD than MP40. In addition, you can burst PPD in mid range, abusing its high DPS, while avoiding recoil.

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yep its how i do smg mid range shooting and can down people pretty accurate with that little devil with no struggle of kickback ^^

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There are plenty of sources you can get extra ammo, such as ammo bag or ammo box. But MP40 has nothing to do.

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But to repeat myself its not the smg superiority i want nerfed from the Russian smgs. I like that they are furious in close quarters but when they can perform as good as the germans at mid range with same accuracy its there i say hello. Its not the power but the accuracy and narrow spread or kickback that to me feels off since the Germans with lower rate of fire should have better control and accuracy as an tradeoff for its slow rate of fireā€¦That makes sense this how it is now does not

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Honestly, low ammo capacity? You have ammo pouch and ammo box. And if you burst, recoil isnā€™t that strong. But MP40 has nothing to compensate its weaknesses.

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Yeah like i said. I picked up an PPD and suddenly started to burst fire in to enemies across the street around 50m away and instantly kill them one by one without much bullet dispersion. Especially since i just dropped to me the most accurate German Smg model 35L so far to then feel the same accuracy mid range with the PPD but with more bullets and faster kills. Made me think what tradeoff was i made believing myself all the time ^^

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At least the T-34s transmission didnt break while going over a pebble unlike the Panther and Tiger, have fun in the spawn area :slightly_smiling_face:

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Eh the PPD wastes to much ammo annd thereā€™s to much dispersion i much prefer PPS-43/42 and Mp40 for that job thereā€™s seems to be more dispersion and hit reg issues do to netcode with guns that fire that fast from what i have noticedlike shooting round and them not leaving and then my gun from 0 zero having 1-2 rounds being added back, noticed it happening on the PPSH, Broomstick Thompson and Berreta 1918, i first noticed it a few months ago never say any issue before even in CAT and CBT.

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It is confirmed that both PPD and MP40 have same dispersion. Itā€™s just skill issue, you just need to burst instead of dumping all ammo.