MP34(ö) and S1-100 fire rate buff and → BR2 (+new SMG for Japan)

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You didn’t quite understand, what I mean is that the spring could have lost its properties and/or modern cartridges could have different characteristics (different bullet weight or powder charge).

And I don’t fully understand why you need to raise the S1-100 when increasing the rate of fire of the BR, it would be better to worsen its other characteristics and leave it at 1 BR (I don’t want Chinese trophies for pumping, I’m still not myself from the M2 Carbine). Well, we have PPD 34 and PPT 27 at 1 BR.

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Replacable, though you can actually go on the website to see the condition, he usually mentions if anything had to be replaced ect.

The difference still wouldn’t be crazy different, these are rounded numbers so there is more than enough room for that. Besides different bullets were available even during WW2.

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S1-100 for Japan, rechambered from ‘7.65×21mm’ to 7.63x25mm they used IRL would change velocity from 370 to 430 and damage from 7.0/3.5 to 6.6/3.3. With about 600-620 RPM it would be very similar to BR1 STEN.

9X19 version Germany have is in more tricky situation, with >600 RPM it would go to BR2. I say leave it as it is.

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the 7.0 damage is a feature of the S1-100, it was buffed on purpose a long time ago.
with 600 rpm this submachine gun would be far better than Sten even with 6.6 damage so the BR increase is necessary.

yes, thats what I said. It will be very similar to Lanchester.

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Sorry, should have clarified I meant 600 RPM for 3 star upgraded gun, not base one.
STEN has 630 RPM at 3 stars.

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oh right, make sense if we assume that the fire rate of the S1-100 (7.65/7.63) is only 550 which Ian also mentioned for that specifically, than they would have equal fire rate, though Sten Mk.II would still come with high dispersion and worse sight.

Submachine Guns Damage Reload Timings (s) Statcard Recoil Actual Recoil Moving Spread Increase
Weapon Name Obtained BR 10m 100m Velocity Magazine Reload Alt Reload Rate of Fire Vertical Horizontal Recoil Control Vertical Horizontal Dispersion While Aiming Hipfiring Visual Recoil Recoil Dir ADS Speed Recoil Offset Sprint Factor Weight Additional Info
Sten Mk II 20000 RP I 6.6 3.4 370 32 2.3 1.89 630 28 17 0.3 8 5 0.81 0.0 15.0 0.7 0.4 0.8 0.3 100% 4.0 32/128
S1-100 5000 RP I 7.0 3.5 370 32 2.3 1.9 520 22 9 0.4 9 4 0.60 0.0 10.0 1.6 0.1 0.8 0.3 100% 4.2 32/128

Well, I wouldn´t be against buffing S1-100 to 550 rpm as that is still realistic and nerf the damage to same as Sten but it will be meta for BR1, I hope you know.

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and on paper the t34 tanks were one of the best medium tanks of the war
t34 built after ww2 were amazing
t34 built during the war lacked things like real optics, headlights, a gear shift that did not require a hammer.
In fact tankers were being executed or exiled for the insane number of break downs.
making a gun with cherry picked parts and reproductions, i am sure some guns worked as advertised and some guns would kill the user if attempted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIZ6PFYUM5o

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great video, I seen it myself a long time ago.
However, Im not sure how the Soviet T-34 tank is related to the MP34(ö)´s incorrect fire rate in the game.

Please tell me the relation :grinning:

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Simple a gun is often so limited that is many guns can fire hire then they do but are limited. Overheating small magazines, accuracy,manufacturing flaws, that a gun can be used in way does not make it so. Looks a f w people demanding hundred and 200 round mgs, did they exist yes, were they used on vehicles and as aa yes were they used like a bar no… show m me a manual saying such or a period weapon video I’ll believe show me a Frankenstein weapons yawnl

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My brother im Christ, all Im suggesting is fixing the fire rate of a weapon. It won’t even be OP since it will be about as strong as Lanchester.

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courtesy of Astulian, states 700 rpm though as I said earlier, calculating fire rate was difficult back in the day so the 600 rpm modern sources give are far more accurate.

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My point is claim historical accuracy or balance don’t hop from one to the next, by manual I meant militarized I am guessing sales. I would be happy if people were not always trying to buff weapons. Next it’s just my opinion enlisted has never could never be historically be accurate. It go from a funnish arcade game to an simulation slot, sorry just sick of weeablo winning no Germany is not the weakest faction. I don’t want it to be post scriptum nor hell let loose anymore then cod.

USSR clubs Germany
Germany clubs US
US clubs japan

Barring population swings for new faction content

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The Qingdao submachine gun is virtually identical to the SIG 1920. You could directly request to lower the SIG 1920 to BR 2 the same should apply to the Lanchester 50 as well.

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The Japanese prototype Type 100 - Model 3 had a rate of fire of 530 rounds per minute, it could have taken a place in the research tree.

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What’s truly best is what’s your own—not weapons plundered from other nations.
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That maybe, my primary source indicated a fire rate of 500 rpm which would be ideal for BR1.
Also smaller magazines, of 30 rounds, but I have also seen claims of 20 round magazines.

Alternatively, they could add Japan a 20 round S1-100 submachine gun.

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Well, if they aren’t going to buff the FNAB, then buff the MP34 and drop the FNAB to level one.

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I remember @Euthymia07-live saying that the FNAB-43 would be too much for BR2 so someone should probably make a suggestion similar to this one.
increase fire to 800 but move the gun to BR3.

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alr, so, I am still gathering info and preparing a larger response, but for now - there is a vid on reddit where owner fires MP34 in 3 configs - short bolt + 9x19mm (more or less the same as it would have been produced for Germans after the Anschluss), long bolt + 9x19mm (not sure whether such config was actually used, although technically it appears to be functional) and long bolt + 7.63x25mm (according to what I found so far, long bolts were primarily intended to be used with more powerful rounds like 9mm Mauser or 7.63mm Mauser, so this config is most likely the one that would have been sold to Japan as well).

What’s really notable is how slow “German” configuration is when compared to the configuration with a different bolt, and especially compared to 7.63mm Mauser config, and slow rate of fire of MP 34 seems to be consistent with other videos I’ve seen online where it does fire at like 450-500 rpm.

edit: i’ll probably explain what i’ve wrote in the original comment in a proper response later

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Initially, I was baffled by the fact that you claim that MP34 should have RoF at ~600 RPM, considering that I always felt that German MP34 was always more or less within the cyclic rate range that I could hear on the videos, and was trying to gather videos online to prove you wrong and that “german mains are trying to get something changed again while relying on english sources which are ‘oh so reliable’”. This video that I linked, however, was very recent and made me ask questions, so I had to dig deeper and pester @Killerwolf1024 like usual lol

So, there are two main patterns of the S1-100 SMG:

  • the so-called “MP30”, named after the variant that was adopted by Austrian police and that conveniently describes the early pattern of the gun.
  • and the so-called “MP34”, named after the variant that was adopted by Austrian army and that is probably the most prevalent one.

MP30 always had a long bolt, while for MP34 it depends. While technically MP34 is modular and can be reconfigured for different calibers, usually long bolts were used for more powerful ammunition while short bolts were used for 9mm Parabellum or 7.65mm Parabellum.

Related info from Killerwolf:

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The theory that guns with long bolts appear to have a faster firing rate seems to be confirmed by several videos I’ve seen online. Notably, I am gonna mention Forgotten Weapons shooting video of the .45 ACP variant, which also includes a 9mm Steyr MP30.

According to my imprecise calculations, .45 ACP fires at ~600-650 RPM, 9mm Steyr at ~650-700.

This user’s MP30 in 9mm Para - according to my calculations, ~600 RPM:

MP34 9mm, ~514

MP34, ~514

that same video uploaded on YT (~470 RPM for MP34 9mm, ~530 for MP30 9mm, ~620-630 for MP30 7.63mm):

Also gonna link Small Arms Review article on the .45 ACP variant, since author also notices how it’s more faster firing than the usual 9mm Para MP34 you can find.

Cyclic Rate: Unknown at this time. I didn’t have the proper electronic measuring devices at the time of this writing but on firing the 45ACP model it was very audible to myself and by other firearm enthusiasts that the cycling rate was much faster. This was due to the nature of physics – basically looking at the physical dimensions of the 45 Bolt – it is larger and longer than the 9mm bolt, thus a shorter stroke or travel distance.

So, how does this all apply to this suggestion?

  • German MP34 is already more or less realistic as is, at best it could have its damage or other stats tweaked.
  • Japanese S1-100, on the other hand, on top of the ammunition change could also receive a very notable fire rate boost (to like 650 or even the claimed 700 RPM)
  • The one variant for Germans that could have a higher rate of fire (and damage comparable to Kiraly) is a captured unmodified Austrian or Luftwaffe-specific MP34 due to it in theory having a long bolt and a powerful cartridge.
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