Move the OVP 1918 and (potentially) Beretta 1918 to BR1

This might be seen as a bit crazy, but I think both the OVP and Beretta 1918 could be moved to BR1 without being much more powerful than the PPD 34, the most similar gun to these 2 and what I will be comparing these to. So here below, I will compare some of the main stats of these guns and justify why these 2 guns could go to BR1. See the table provided for a reference, the data is from the Enlisted Resource.

Damage

Starting off with damage, all 3 guns are in a fairly similar range, the PPD being slightly weaker at 6.4 damage compared to the 6.8 of both Italian sub machine guns, but all three guns are still powerful enough to kill in 3 shots (assuming no vitality or body armor), and only is noticeable over long range (which defeats the point of using the SMG at all)

bullet velocity

A fairly simple comparison, the PPD has the fastest velocity at 450 m/s, with the OVP falling 15 slower at 435, and lastly the Beretta 1918, a whole 50 meters slower at 400, but this makes little sense, given the 2 Italian guns shoot the same cartridge (but whatever, we can see so many examples of this throughout the game)

Reload speed

The Beretta 1918 is just barely the fastest reloading out of the 3, at 2.3 seconds (which is a pretty normal speed for any SMG), only 0.04 seconds faster than the PPD’s 2.34 second reload, while the OVP lags behind at 2.7 seconds, which combined with the high rate of fire which will be covered next, leads to you reloading longer than you shoot.

Rate of Fire

The rates of fire of the 3 SMGs are very similar, the Beretta 1918 and OVP sharing 1040 RPM, and the PPD 920 RPM. you would think the 120 RPM difference would make it a bit worse, but in my testing I found that it actually wasn’t very important, and if anything I could shoot for slightly longer and didn’t waste as much ammo on a single soldier. I think this could be more up to preference between individuals, but I think the rates of fire are close enough compared to each other.

Recoil

The PPD 34 and beretta 1918 have very very similar recoil values, 8 vertical, 5 horizontal for the PPD and 7 vertical, 6 horizontal for the Beretta, literally trading 1 point of recoil on either plane which is little difference, both guns decent recoil. As for the OVP though, it’s a lot worse in terms of recoil, having 12 vertical 6 horizontal (12 is on the higher side of average SMG recoil values), you can feel it kick a lot more than the Beretta 1918, combined with the high ROF, controlling it is more difficult.

Dispersion

While it isn’t a huge deal since the values aren’t too far off, but dispersion also is a factor to consider. the PPD has 0.71 dispersion, which is an average value, and the 2 Italian guns have slightly worse dispersion, of 0.76 (Beretta) and 0.77 (OVP)

Summary

I think the PPD and Beretta 1918/OVP are similar enough to let the latter 2 guns be transferred to BR1, through a number of comparisons I made. In addition to the points made earlier, there is also the fact that the sights of these guns are, in many people’s opinions, quite bad. The sights are mounted on the left or right of the gun depending on which one you take (which makes aiming a bit trippy if you use both in the same loadout), and the magazine covers half of the screen similar to the Bren. The beretta 1918 is by no means a bad gun, but due to recent BR2 SMG power creep by the US and Soviets, it is much less viable now (and the OVP is just a watered down Beretta essentially, so it’s in the same boat). I could see the Beretta 1918 not being wanted on BR1, but I think the OVP at the very least would be fine, since it’s mostly slightly nerfed stats of a 1918. So what are your thoughts on this, forum members? do you think they would be okay for BR1, too powerful for 1 but needs a buff, or good as is?

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All German smgs are too weak for BR2. That includes MP38/40 which is pretty much equivalent to Sten 2 which recently got downtiered to BR1, FNAB-43 that has unrealistic ultra low rof, Beretta M38/42 that has slower rof and muzzle velocity than irl. German smgs are always of one BR above that they should be.

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Beretta 1918 is good! I run it at BR2 and enjoy it.

I don’t know why German mains feel so victimized. Are there some issues with SMG balance? Yes. Should this suggested change happen? Nope.

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Never ending power creep continues.

Pure incompetence. You have no idea what are you taking about.

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Incompetence but on the Darkflow part. Actually i know a lot of about smgs as i’ve been comparing them for months what have you done? Nothing except to mock me with no arguments. It’s always the same anti-German bias/rhetoric coming from you, you are like a broken record.

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I do too every now and then as well for fun, but after using it after the latest update I feel it’s just not quite enough anymore when up against the Uragan and M1A1. I guess I got spoiled with the PPD on my BR1 russian loadout though, it’s quite good IMO, fairly similar to the Beretta in my mind. Maybe these could get some sort of buff instead, I don’t know :person_shrugging:. I guess match after match fighting SMG spam recently has had it’s effects on me.

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HIs profile before he hid it said “proud Zionist”, so it checks out. But yeah, sadly, it’s also the same idea held by Darkflow. Germany objectively had some of the best weapons in the entire world during WWII. Just because the real Nazis did war crimes doesn’t mean us who play Germany in WWII games 80 years after the damn war should be punished too with subpar weaponry.

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You have many other Berettas to choose from along with Suomi, MP-40 and other guns too. As I said, I recognize that, overall, they are not as strong as Soviet SMG’s collectively but buffing these guns by pushing them to BR1 seems counterproductive and unnecessary.

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Please state who you are speaking of. I suspect a post was deleted but it isn’t me and I don’t like that some people could read it as being me.

yeah that’s true, there are plenty of fine guns for BR2, unfortunately really good ones like the Suomi kp26 and Mp35 are event/BP so unavailable to the vast majority, but I have a few copies in storage thankfully, but most players usually don’t.

I was referring to Adamnpee.

Yep and yet for some magical reasons the soviets in the allies don’t see what they’re doing is killing their faction.

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Then you should probably tell gaijin to stop breaking the game just for the soviets in the allies.

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That stuff should have been part of our tech tree and BP weapon should be not making up the backbone of the German army and same goes for the event nonsense.

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I have no patience for your bleating. You’ve been complaining about Germany suffering since the day you were allowed to access the internet. The only difference is that, in some cases, it’s now true. But your credibility is zero as you’ll spout the same nonsense not matter the case. History shows the truth. - Also, I won’t respond to anything you post in response. You spam these forums like you are out of your mind. You’ve basically never made a good point and I won’t argue with you. I’ll leave my point here and move on.

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Yes so am I going to watch America start burning for the crimes they’ve done and I have always known the truth but no one likes to admitted or destroy the dream we all live in.

And true I have possibly gone mad but it’s only because of what DF has done.

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Well u gonna be surprised but

Some of greyparrots opinions have been pointed out by other users and Guess what? For some magical reason it gets supported

Kinda interesting You know? Like of all users had something personal with him but whenever anyone else speak the same words he said before “”““that user
opinion””" is way more respected🤷

Parrot Alt posts in support of parrot. :rofl:

If I say enough things I’ll be right eventually but when it comes to this it’s almost like the Israeli nonsense it only took us 80 something years later to find out what they’re doing but at least we found out.

And I’m happy to be the fool to ask of hard questions that no one wants to ask so I can bring some level of order to this game.

Whatever the case, if you only post in absolutly blind and nonsensical terms, support for one faction… there will be people who agree and support.