Move P-63A-10 to BR III

[Life_burns]

I’m gonna compare the P-63A-10 with P-51D-5 in order to explain you why they belong in the same BR:
Well I have compared this 2 fighter planes and I don’t see how P-63A-10 is BR IV and P-51D-5 is BR III.
P-63A-10 is low altitude fighter while P-51D-5 is high altitude but as performance wise they are very similar and yet played very differently. P-51D-5 is good at Hight altitudes and better air to air capabilities since it has 6 machine guns compared to P-63A-10 4 machine guns the P-63A-10 compensates with 37 mm cannon but since its a slow cannon you can use it only against ground targets or slow planes which will make it absolutely useless against faster planes.
When it comes to bombs they are also very balanced. Now lets compare it with the starting German and Japanese BR IV fighters:

BF 109 G-6:

Well as you can see here the firepower is even bigger considering it has 1x20 mm auto cannons and 2 better machine guns and the cannons are fast. When it comes to performance they have very similar turn rate but in every other aspect G-6 is better there is also 1 more factor that makes the G-6 better dog fighter and this is the controls the G-6 is much more stable in the dog fights since P-63 has similar to FW controls but better however still is one of those sensitive planes. When it comes to bomb load they are very similar 4x60 kg cover better area 1x250kg is better against big targets and they are in the middle that is the best place for bombs for planes.
So G -6 is better plane hands down. However G-6 is high altitude fighter very similar to P-51D-5 but better do to better fire power and specially in longer fights with P-51D-5 the G-6 will come on top. If you are P-51D-5 player avoid longer engagements with this plane. Also trading shots is not good option do to auto cannons. Best way to engage him is from higher altitude but if he is on your tail well that’s bad like very bad… however the good thing is if you are on his tail you have good chances since everything he can do you can do also. Without one flaps trick that is very hard to pull up.

Ki-61-II Otsu Kai:

The Ki-61-II Otsu Kai is low altitude fighter very similar to P-63A-10 has a bit less bomb load but it definitely covers it with the most insane firepower having 400 rounds in its auto - cannons means he is up for a trade in shots he is up for a spam he is up for 2 vs 1 battles he has enough ammo to put 2 planes down. In a dog fight as performance wise the P-63A-10 and Ki-61-II are very similar but do to the sensitive controls is much harder for P-63A-10 to dogfight and do to the bad armament of P-63A-10 with its slow velocity 37 mm cannon and only 4 mgs trading shots is not a good option unless you get some lucky 37 mm hit. Overall the Otsu is better plane. Specially if you lower its speed below 600 and put the flaps you will win the dog fight.

So i think its wise to put P-63A-10 to BR III since its biggest problem are fast fighters and against this super fast Jet planes I don’t see how its slow velocity 37 mm cannon and 4 mgs will be enough to engage any jet fighter. Specially if the Jetfighter refuses to get in a dog fight and just zooming you all the time. And even in war thunder P-63A-10 is with battle rating 4.0 Similar to P - 51D-5 that also is 4.0 and majority of Jet fighters are with battle rating 7+ … and here P-63A-10 is performing worse then in war thunder. So in war thunder the good dogfighters planes are very good against bad players and very bad against good players since good players wont dog fight you and if the dogfighter don’t have good fire power and good speed you cant survive the booming and zooming spam. And if P-63A-10 had more fire power would be able to fight such planes since the speed is not that bad but just the 4 mgs and the low velocity cannon wont be able to do enough damage to the jet fighter if he misses you and he will probably fly away and zoom you again. While the Ki -61 and G-6 have enough fire power at least to punish the jet if he misses. However the Ki is on the slow side so it may have some troubles the G-6 will be better since is high altitude fighter and will have the best chances against jets from this 4 planes.

[Naohmcete]

yes

[Myrm1don]

I’m certainly not against the suggestion

I would like to point out though:

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1: Soviets only face Germany

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2: Currently Germany has 2 “fighters” at BR 3 with no bombs whatsoever. Soviets have one with, one without and then the Yak 9k. (We also just suggested the Yak 9T go down to BR 3)

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3: Germany also has to deal with the Mustangs, p-38s and Hellcats

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I don’t Think the 109 G6 is a good argument for why it should be down tiered (theres not much between them), but instead the P-63-10 moving down would be a good argument for the G6 to go with it.

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@Life_burns

Well as you can see here the firepower is even bigger considering it has 1x20 mm auto cannons and 2 better machine guns and the cannons are fast

Enlisted doesn’t show it but the P-63 A-10 has almost double the One second burst mass of the 109 G-6 (lead going down range in 1 second of fire)…About the same burst mass if you ignore the 37mm

Germany has a Fighter (with ordnance) Gap at BR 3, which honestly the G.55 Fiat and the 109 G 6 could easily fit the bill. (The Fiat, while a very nice plane…is not that Heavily armed…its the least armed Fiat they could Pick)

The 109 G6 is 2 BRs higher than the 109 F1/F2 and you barely get more bang for buck out of it (for enlisted purposes)

The La-5, Yak 9T, Yak 9k and the P-63 would be a monstrously fun line up though

[Life_burns]

Well I agree they can fit also BR III. But the argument is comparing P-63A-10 with P-51D-5. The other options are a bit above the 4.0 rating that’s why I’m not sure about them yet.

@Myrm1don

G.55 Fiat and the 109 G 6 could easily fit the

Well they can specially with the new jet fighters its easier for now to give Bf 109 F-4/trop that is also 4.0 fighter bombs.

The G.55 and the G-6 and Ki-61-II Otsu Kai are just a bit above the average battle rating and they don’t have downside like starting on ship. But at the other hand they are exactly on that border where im split do they belong on BR III or BR IV while for the P-63A-10 im not split since its a solid 4.0 like P-51D-5 .

But if we move them to BR III then we got to move the Ki-61-II Otsu Kai to BR III that will resolver a lot of Japanese problems.

[Myrm1don]

@Life_burns

4.0 rating that’s why I’m not sure about them yet.

Are you basing this on Warthunder BR? (I agree that’s a good matchup for plane vs plane).

But for gameplay in Enlisted the CAS capability gives you that little extra value. So for Value in Enlisted, I Certainly would rate the P-51 over alot of the BR 4 planes.

I dont want to be that guy that says P-51D is more like a BR 4 plane (by comparison)…cos I enjoy it

Corsair is definitely BR 5 power level

[Life_burns]

Well the P-51D is good its definitely but it overheats easily but it has good boombs if the devs are super lazy. They can just move P-63A-10,Yak 9t, G-6,G.55.,FW190 A-8,G-14,Ki-61-Hei,A6M3,61-II Otsu,D4Y1,J2M3,AP-1,Boomerang Mk II one BR lower.

[Myrm1don]

dont forget Mosquito!!!

Yes I think all of those had posts forwarded to be lowered (I think…not sure if G14 had one)

[Life_burns]

@Myrm1don

dont forget Mosquito!!!

am split on Mosquito since its really good its BR IV for sure. Only if it had rockets but its definitely on the level of Me 410

G-14 is just worse then G-10 hope they give it a bomb also…

[Myrm1don]

@Life_burns

am split on Mosquito since its really good its BR IV for sure.

bf110 is faster (even though it shouldnt be historically), Better bombs and BR 3

you can read the reasons here

BR 3 ← Mosquito (Myrm1don Suggestion) - Suggestions - Enlisted

[Life_burns]

I will check it but im not sure really the Mosquito is fast and has good turn rate good armament its better then the Beaufighter.

[Life_burns]

Well yes its possible to give Mosquito rockets Uncle Tom will be perfect But yes with the bombs is a bit of lackluster can be BR III if its with bombs but simply I cant keep the Beaufighter at BR IV and Mosquito at BR III its wrong

[Myrm1don]

@Life_burns

I will check it but im not sure really the Mosquito is fast and has good turn rate good armament its better then the Beaufighter.

Yes and No… the beaufighter isnt technically as good a “plane”, But because this is Enlisted it has that extra CAS value I was talking about above

Rp-3 Rocket are better than HVARs at killing swarms of infantry and it is disgusting what you can do with 8 of these on the Beaufighter…thats why It is cursed to be at BR 4

mosquito cant come close to the destruction the Beaughfighter can cause, nor is it good enough to fight off fighters, so its advantages are meh

[Life_burns]

If the Mosquito have rockets it can be BR IV but just with bombs its ok at BR III. Me 410 B-1 can also be moved to BR IV since is a bit lackluster also.

[Myrm1don]

Yeah ive mentioned that Before to about the Me410. The me410 at BR IV is better than the BR 5 one lol

and yeah, I did offer the alternative to buff the mosquito…but since that takes alot more work than changing the BR…i thought suggesting a BR change would be the most likely to get a change.

[Life_burns]

Yeah maybe thats the easiest solution just to move them BR lower

[baked_Potato_rkm]

Actually the P63 A 10 is designed as high alt. front line fighter that was also useful at low alt. The Kingcobra finally had the turbo- supercharger. The P39 was originally designed with a turbocharger Robbed by the heavy bomber program and Merlin engine used by the Spitfire… Kingcobra was finally useful in 10,000 - 20,000’ regime. It also had legthend wing span for such regimes and and over all larger aircraft.

P-63 Kingcobra

This website evan say starting with the A8 that water injection was used normally only seen on C5’s. They were sble to increase fuel flow with out overheating do to water being ingected into the combustion chamber to keep cylinder heads cool. We also know at high heat and pressure tht water can seperate and form highly combustable HHO gas. This happens naturally at aprox… 2000 degree’s Fahrenheit with no added electricity.

https://www.quora.com/In-World-War-2-how-did-the-water-injection-system-work-on-a-radial-aircraft-engine-such-as-the-Pratt-Whitney-R-2800-Double-Wasp-without-compromising-the-durability

the sound of course is incorrect because most of them were removed and recycled after the war.
http://p63kingcobra.com/p-63_kingcobra_history.html

I had a great video of a P63 a10 that an astronaut had restored and he put the turbo super prop back on and it scremed. but i found these other P63 videos and you can here the supercharger spooling up… So must have been restored… it sounds like there is a trubo charger base on the fly by too…, but unconfirmed. there is deff. a youtube video out there about this that was purposely shot by that astronaught…

P-63 Kingcobra flyover

P-63 Kingcobra @ Legacy Flight Museum's Fly In

Here i can demonstrate this usefulness over P51 in ground battles being the P63’s superiour climb rate > than the Mustang being ligher and more agile as a frontline fighter. doesn’t bleed as much energy in turns do to lghter weight; being much more controllable at high speeds due to rear mounted engine and laminar flow wings. you can see how she has favorble flight charchteristichs at low speeds evan round 4,000’. Do to these conditions the Kingcobra is can beat any German fighter at any. including Ta 152’s due to it’s smaller weight and agility evan at high alt if you can trick them into turning. 109’s are a mistery. i am fairly certian that the late war 109’s that could reach these heights were to nose heavy to compete, but you’ll have to check sources. Either way don’t let them get behind you. I have beat them before, but you have to be quick you run into the occasional noob that doesn’t know how to use flaps.

Kingcobra Search & Destroy Mission

Starting at 5:15 to 5:30 that bomb run I would have surely exploded into the church steeple but was able to dodge at last sec do to rear mounted engine. Any other plane you’d be dead. You cannwin fights by crashing noobs into the ground. On the next loop around there was unsuspecting Panther G that i spotted and exploded with pin point high speed precision do these favorable attribute. I literally nailed the tank with the bomb at low alt. You can tell because the game registered a hit immediatly on impact before it exploded. This is how you kill King Tigers.

I found the video…

Apollo 8 Astronaut Colonel Frank Borman flies the P-63 Kingcobra

You can here the turbo super prop system has an excellant whine.

On tgis forum they discuss different tests involving Kingcobras and specificaly V-1710-93 powered A10’s of NACA and Bell & the significance of water injection

P-63: real performance?

Flown directly to the frontlines by woman via Alaska.

Early on in 1944 from lack of dorsal fin and vegetation on the trees.

As far as 37mm cannon goes it is excellant for picking of fighters such as 109’s and 190’s. It only takes 1 shot. In this regard it is much more useful to survival in combat due to the fact that tgis plane is extra nimble and has an easy to.aim short barrel 37mm m10 cannon. Just dive down on people and when you are about 30 yards out blow em away. It only takes 1 shot to deal with. That way you can hold on to all your energy. Just remember when comming on top of somebody you have more surface area to hit than from behind. It is your most reliable kill. You dont have to lose your advantage either with dangerous manuvering. Go back up and go again if you miss.

I few the P51d for America, and although iit was enjoyable to fly; I had trouble getting kills and lining up the gun sight do to instability. You have to hold the gunfights on the target for a few seconds if you want a kill. You can’t just blow 'enemy out of the sky in one shot. Also the nose is to heavy. I’ll fly the AP4c and P47 D28.

The Kingcobra has a rotating screw that goes all the way through the front of the fuselage. It is just easier to control combined with Water injection makes for some easy shots.

What we need to ask for is the deletion of the wing root .50 cal. That is what exp. Russian pilots did so they can turn against 109’s; If you want to unlock max performance. reduced wing load and cleaner aerodynamic profile.

The P63 also has huge landing flaps that double as an airbrake so you can make people overhoot and get behind somebody in a series of left and right horizontal vertical manoeuvring. This is how you kill a noob. A noob will fully commit. boom kill. Others will run.

NACA stuff on water injection saying you can double manifold pressure with a .6 water fuel mixture

19930093582.pdf

This is significant to the fact that the water injection system was superiour to mw50 because they injected water into each cylinder directly for an evan flow.

You can see by the 1944 NACA documents and the manifold pressure on the in game P63 A10 that there is actually a lot of power missing in game that would make dealing with late war 109’s and 262 much easier to deal with. 75" versus 55" or whereever they have it tuned at. This is due to Allison rasing the limits of all v 1710 engine as the war progressed. This one here v1710-93 had water injection built into the block. The P63 A10 we have here is from 1945. Introduced during the Berlin campaign. They raised the powerlimit from 1943 in 1944… and we’re at 1945. P63 A10 could also mount six rockets by this time. If they were Russian types than it would be okay. M8 rockets arent worth the parasite drag. But the biggest problem is tye 50cal wing gunpods not being removed. Russian wouldnt go up against enemy fighters purposefully with out removing all unecc. Extra weight. Especially an exp. 1945 force.