Moscow Campaign German Pistols

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According to the information given, they all have the same recoil. The Mauser C96 was initially made in I think 7.63mm Mauser or something like that, which is actually a fair bit weaker than 7.62 Tokarev which is 7.62x25 which is almost identical (or actually identical) in the 7.63 Mauser’s dimensions. Regardless, if we’re to assume that the C96 are 9mm (like the Red 9 of WWI) just like the Luger P08 and the Walther P38, then they should indeed probably do the same amount of damage, BUT, the C96 has a HIGH bore axis. This means that, in accordance to the position of the hand, the bore is quite high, which causes more ‘muzzle flip.’ The C96, the first pistol accessible for the Germans of the Moscow Campaign, should have the most recoil when compared to the Luger or the P38 Walther. NOT because it’s the oldest of the lot, or the first accessible of any German pistols on that campaign, but because of its DESIGN. As for Luger vs Walther pistols, I don’t know, but the C96 should be the worst-handling of them all unless it has its shoulder stock holster applied thus rendering the pistol to be a short-barreled carbine.

So yeah, either the C96 recoil should be made worse (which would suck) or the P08/P38 recoil should be eased, assuming all three indeed have the same recoil impulse and muzzle flip, which they shouldn’t, in spite of all potentially firing the same cartridge.

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That isn’t true. C96 is actually the softest recoiling of the bunch. Mostly due to it’s weight distribution and size. Both the p08 and p38 are pretty snappy and violent recoiling guns. p08 cause of its action and p38 because it’s quite small and lightweight.

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Historical recoil isn’t one of the things this game even makes an attempt on, and it’s not just German pistols.

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idk how yall even tell the difference between the recoil. Everything has barely there recoil and is capable of being fired on cyclic and accurately.

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The C96’s bore axis would produce more muzzle flip. A higher bore simply does that. The physics are probably quite comparable to rifles like the M1 Garand or M14 that has that drop in the stock, compared to rifles with in-line stocks like the FN FAL and G3. If you draw a line from the muzzle, along the barrel, and by the time it reaches the shooter’s shoulder it is still at the level of the stock, it tends to cause a more direct recoil backwards rather than having much in the way of barrel climb or muzzle flip. If, by the time this line reaches the shooter’s shoulder, the stock is actually beneath that line, it is conducive to more barrel climb while firing. Not an issue with bolt-actions, since fast follow-up shots aren’t really much of a thing, but with semi-autos it is quite relevant. The C96 would have quite a bit of muzzle climb due to its very high bore axis, especially if it fires 9x19 just like the P08 and P38. If it fires the older and softer shooting 7.63 Mauser, that is another matter, and indeed maybe it does result in softer recoil than the smaller 9mm pistols, but the bore axis does the C96 no favors ESPECIALLY in 9mm.

During WWI, they implemented that red 9 on the grip because it was important to make sure the right ammo was used in the right pistols. By WWII, for any C96 in service, surely they would have ensured that they standardized on the 9mm rather than maintaining that issue of having both 7.63 Mauser and 9mm in the presence of C96 pistols.

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i’ve shot them all

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And I’ve owned various WWI and WWII firearms including Kar98k, SVT-40 (pretty common in Canada, not in the States due to import ban with Russia), an M91/30 with reproduction PU scope, Italian Mannlicher-Carcano, a Hi Power manufactured in Nazi-occupied Belgium that still had intact waffenampt/swastika, P38, TT-33, M1 Garand, M1 Carbine (with grenade launcher sights), various models of Lee Enfield (Like I said, Canada, though none of them were Longbranch meaning all were made outside of Canada), M1895 Nagant revolver, even a WWI Webley Mk.VI produced 1918 if memory serves. Not just ‘shot,’ but owned.

Yeah it don’t go too well to go about waving your dick around and seeking to measure it against others, especially not on the internet where God only knows who is being truthful and who is BSing. Indeed, unless I present proof (ideally with date stamp for today), or if you do so, we could both be absolutely talking out of our butts, so it’s best to communicate in an honest and productive manner.

Those clips are obviously not scientific evidence, but I return to what I had said, a C96 in 9mm would have more muzzle climb than a Luger or P38 due to the high bore axis. A C96 in 7.63x25 is less easy to judge because 7.63x25 to my knowledge is a less hot cartridge than 9x19. Also, if you look at that webm of the C96, given the length of the casing and what appears to be a necked casing at that, that is very likely in 7.63 Mauser, which means that the recoil shown there is less than what you would see in a 9x19 C96.

Unless you’ve got something valuable or worthwhile to bring to the table than “i’ve shot them all,” it seems like we’ll have to fall back to a statement that I have found to be outstandingly valuable on the internet. “Agree to disagree,” or “To each their own.” I welcome a productive and polite conversation.

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I will also add that, in those clips I presented, the C96 has a superior two-handed grip while the Luger has a one-handed grip, meaning the recoil you see with the Luger would be lessened with the use of two hands, and the recoil from the Mauser pistol would have more muzzle climb if it was shot with one hand like the Luger.

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You were talking about recoil so I gave my two cents based on actually shooting the things. Seeing as how most of what you wrote was completely different from my experience on how they shot, why would I not give my input?
Not sure where the whole dick measuring thing comes in…