The USSR currently has big problems with the light machine gun on the 2 BR, and it would be a much better idea to add the Simonov light machine gun specifically as a machine gun, considering that as an automatic rifle it will be weak due to its very low rate of fire.
The rifle could use 5, 10 and 20 round magazines, and also had two bayonet options.
That’s not true, the version in your photo is a version with a movable barrel chambered for 6.5 mm.
The 7.62x54mmR version can be identified by the presence of notches on the forestock.
In fact, it is known that early versions could use 20-round magazines, as indicated in early instructions for the rifle.
LOL, someone has already answered for me:
Although I add that the AVT 40 had a large number of experimental magazines with increased capacity.
It’s strange that there is no M1 Garand from Winchester here with a rate of fire of 955 rounds per minute.
I appreciate your enthusiasm. Your posts were some of many that inspired me! I’ll try my best to respond to your posts in order, in point form:
For a BR 2 Machine gun alternative to the Madsen, why not one of the DP-27 variants with either the top-mounted magazine, or the hopper feed copied from the Type 11? And yes, it will have a lower skill ceiling due to it’s lower rate of fire, but there are comparable options for the other nations too (G.43/41 Selbstlader, T20, Type 17). The point of them is to be like G.43 Kurz, with low fire rate but minimal recoil and dispersion.
If the Fedorov I have posted is incorrect, I apologize. The placard in the photo claims it’s chambered in 7.62mm and looks like the ones you’ve posted (which is where I learned about it). If it only has up to 20 round magazines, that’s also good to know!
AVT-40 definitely had a few options, I’m aware of the 20 round ones, and this 25 round magazine in particular.
I do have the Winchester M1 Garand conversion, though I have it at 950 RPM base. I called it “Winchester M1 Experimental”.
Yes, those are all technically light machine guns for Japan, Type Hei Automatic included. I couldn’t find better options, and I wanted to make sure Japan had at least one 7.7mm option, to have 15.3 base damage. If you know of better alternatives, please let me know!
I think the RPS 3 or RPS 6 would be the best to add to the upgrade tree, it was the closest to being adopted, 300 of these machine guns were ordered, although the order was never fulfilled. But that’s just my opinion.
Yes, I apologize once again, this is indeed a version chambered for 7.62x54mmR, and with the same automatics as the Fedorov assault rifle. The version I posted in the comment above already has a gas-operated automatics. Both versions use 7.62x54mmR cartridges. By the way, the bayonet could be used as a support during shooting.
Variety would definitely be welcome, but some of the weapons suggested have monstrous fire rate and very large magazine capacity.
In my opinion tech tree SF rifles under no conditions should get magazines larger than 20 rounds and DPS higher than the current FG42 or Type Hei auto, both which already heavily outclass BR4 weapons.
By the way, the USSR had a huge number of experimental automatic rifles that preceded the ABC 36 and AVT 40, but I can’t fit everything into one topic, let alone a message. So I’ll post the most interesting ones.
Conversion of the Mosin rifle to automatic by Tokarev:
Not to nitpick, but does “automatic” for these rifles mean they are all fully automatic? I assume “automatic” for some of these just means semi-automatic?
I welcome any improvements and supplements to the technology tree. It’s not difficult to let DF discover them, but it’s really challenging to actually add them into the game!
I understand that the 5-round Mosin automatic rifle sounds a bit weird and crazy, as does the Mannlicher automatic rifle, but they are fully automatic, so during testing the fighters complained that the Yasnikov rifle was difficult to fire, and the Mosin automatic rifles would later have a fire selector.
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In addition, Ruslan Chumak (the author of the book from which the photographs of the Mosin automatic rifle were taken) distinguishes between automatic and semi-automatic rifles in the title and captions.
Ive heard hearsay here and there about a full auto conversion for the zh 29, and/or extended mag of 25 rounds (or rather that it can take zb 26 mags), but ive never managed to find an image
I literally dropped a video above where they talk about the automatic ZH 29 with the provision of documents.
And I don’t think that it should somehow be externally different from the usual ZH 29, most likely without disassembling the rifle it will be very difficult to understand that it has been re-equipped for the possibility of fully automatic fire.
That and I’d like to see all the br3 and 4 mg’s with 20-25 rounds get a second br (br5 to equip on normal riflemen but returned to their original br when equipped on machine gunners)
And although the books “Us Rifle M14: From John Garand to the M21” and “The M1 Garand Rifle” say that this is the first conversion of the M1 Garand into a fully automatic rifle by John Garand in 1942, I do not believe that this rifle can be so similar to the Winchester rifle, and considering the dates of the tests, I find it strange that a rifle from 1942 would be tested in August of 1944.
Recently, a lengthy article was posted on Ru Forum about American conversions of the M1 Garand into a fully automatic rifle.
It’s quite funny that during the writing of the article, American sources made a number of mistakes that I had to correct .
I think I could now suggest some new automatic rifle for the USA.
T23 - this is an early redesign of the M1 Garand by Remington. The rifle has the same 8-round magazine and was created to test a new trigger mechanism. The only visual difference should be the fire selector and an enlarged buttstock.
T 24 - same as T23, but for testing another trigger mechanism. The buttstock must be standard.
T 22 - Automatic version of the M1 Garand from Remington, which used the trigger mechanism from the T23 rifle. It has a rate of fire of 500 rounds per minute, weighs 4.36 kg, and has a removable magazine for 20 rounds.
Winchester prototype rifle number “3” - the rifle has a removable magazine (presumably for 5 rounds), presumably created to test a new trigger mechanism that matches the late Winchester patents. You can compare it with the trigger mechanism of the early Winchester rifle, which I posted above.
Winchester continued to develop their rifle, and on June 21, 1945, a document was compiled listing the changes to their automatic modification of the M1 Garand. A photograph of the rifle was also taken and sent to the Colonel Studler.
What’s most interesting is that Winchester created a prototype of the M1 Garand automatic rifle chambered in 7.62x51mm after the war. Except for the pistol grip (which became fashionable after the war), the rifle is very similar in description to the rifle from the June 21, 1945 document, especially that flash suppressor bipod! I think the Winchester rifle during WWII was very similar to this post-war rifle, and perhaps visually it differed only in the absence of a pistol grip (since it is not in the June 21, 1945 document).
Hey nice list here is 2 things that you could add for Japan in BR 5
First one is obvious its Type 2 with type 95 ammo (No pictures on this particular weapon but people on forum have discussed it widely and there are written material on it)
(This illustration shows what the weapon might have looked like , another thing it uses 20 round mag(debatable some written materials say that it was 30 round )
Another thing there was 3 ammos that were in mind for this rifle 7.7x30 , 8.65x30 and 6.5x30(type 95) and as far as we know devs could add the guns in other 2 ammo types with different stats though no guns were made in 7.7 or 8.65 they were just being considered and from what I could gather they were tested in factory (Not with type 2 but just as ammo) so yeah it would be a little difficult to implant this it requires imagination and as our CM said any weapons that have no images from other angles of the gun will not have priority in being added .
Anyhow another weapon would be and M1 carbine shortened and made into a full auto rifle
(Image is courtesy of here)
According to reddit which mentions its source is Bruce Canfield’s 2nd Vol. of US Small Arms of World War II the weapon was a modification that Japanese soldiers made in Peleliu . It is chopped down version of M1 which also Japanese modified to fire fully automatically . It is as shown very crude modification also has bayonet shown in image anyhow , this gun can accept both 30 and 15 round M1 carbine mags
df could do something like this to make BR5 more flexible
MGs have a supresión effect that way it would make it more usefull
-20 bullets SF Will have better recoil control maybe bayonet/bipod or stuff like that and maybe damage buff?
-30 bullets instead Will have more magazine size but with harder recoil control like shooting the AVT-40 (well not like that it would make those rifles almost rubbish)
-SMGs/AR would give You like speed Boost? And the capabilty of having easy recoil control and fast ROF but having the dissaventage of low dmg as it does rn
Hell gonna make a post abt it this idea may have some potential
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