Recently, the BF-110 G2 was moved up to BR 4. The Me-410 series of planes would be a suitable replacement for the BF-110 G2 at BR 3 because the A-1/U2 has a similar payload and flight characteristics without the large caliber guns for strafing infantry and light vehicles.
This change would make the progression for german bombers smoother, getting rockets at br 3 while also gaining access to high caliber cannons and rockets at br4.
Its also weird that the Me 410 B-1 is BR 5 when it is only slightly different to the A-1/U2 (br 4) but without the powerful rockets.
Agreed. Theres nothing really good about this plane (Me 410 B-1). If its gunner turrets were working (player controlled) it might be slightly more interesting (not much)…even at BR 3 I would still prefer the BF110 C-7…handles better, pretty much the same weapons and bombs
F2 and c7 are not even close
A 13mm is easily twice as lethal as an 7.9mm
Same for the 20mm vs the 13mm
me410 bf110
4 20mm 2 20 mm
2 8mm 5 8mm
2 13mm
4 13mm 2 20mm
2 20mm 4 8mm
sorry i skimmed youre post i was wrong for doing that but so are you.
13mm is comparable to the 50 caliber and thus not a machine gun but a light cannon.
by that i mean 7.8 mm is a caliber of infantry weapons while 13mm is used by vehicles planes and mounted on tripods trying to use a 13mm gun for anything but a bolt action would break arms if trying to do so while holding it. so if you want to cut down the guns pf the 410 to match the far weaker guns of the 110 then sure the 410 can move to br3, otherwise know it would be like moving the Garand to br2. just because you cant shred tanks d0es not make them weak just because they have the same caliber does not make them the same br. so strip out 2 20mm from one plane and downgrade the other
4 13mm to 8mm and you would be right.
37 HVAP makes no sense, because Lagg-3-34 (BR 1), Hurricane 40mm (BR 1), Duck 75mm (BR 1), IL-2-37 (BR 3), Yak 9-T (BR 3), Yak-9K (BR 3) and now XA-38 75mm (BR 3)
very unlikely HVAP…HVAP is straight up worse in everything other than pen…and excessive pen means very little from above (HVAP is only good on the 30mm guns…because thats their only option for full AP belts in Warthunder)
…again where are you getting these numbers… 4x20mm on me410 B-1?? no I just posted the data for you
Im just going to go out on a limb and say you arent a plane guy.
It the me410 a1 and bf110 the data got smooshed
Not really more of a ship gun but I know gun/cannon calibers
So unless enlisted war thunder is very bad at damage you have twice the gun power
The 8mm is an infantry caliber or equal to mg Carried by soldiers while the 13mm is equal to an mg nest constructed by engineers.
Moving it to br4 to br3 no again the 13mm is much stronger then the 8mm change the guns and yes it is br3. But even as is yes br4 seems fair. The me410 b1 is br4 as is not br5 or 3. Unless you can find a plane with 2 250 kg bombs 4 13mm guns and 2 20mm.
Its 2x 13mm guns (the rear facing turret gunner doesnt count to forward fire power).
Machine guns are supplementory, its the cannons that do work. 2x13mm vs 4x7.9 makes little difference, they are backups. (german 13mm are one of the weaker 50 cals that are in use starting from BR 1)
There are already planes with more burst mass at BR 3 and bombs
Mosquito
Whirl Wind
XA-38
When I get home I will look at the burst mass of the other planes, Im sure they will be similar
*edit, All the IL 2s starting at BR 2 have similar or more burst mass
Me410 A-1 is fine at BR 4
Me410 B-1 is merely a sidegrade at best to a BF110 at BR 3 (in Enlisted)
Then make them 8mm or give them 8mm damage. Also attacker guns are used for more than strafing but defence. So if you don’t want to downgrade from 13 to 8mm just remove 2 of them you can even choose the rear ones.
Doesnt work like that. Me 410 b1 doesnt have another configuration, (and it wouldnt bother me one bit if it did)
and why should it?..No other planes are changed this way when moving brs.
Also there is no need…your ultimatum was
I just gave you three BR 3 planes with more forward fire power (burst mass.
And once i get home to check that list will be bigger… All the IL 2s starting from BR 2 have similar or more burst mass) and the same/more bombs. I gave you the comparison you wanted. Thats should have satisfied your rebutal and been the end of it
point one
Germany/Axis gets better tanks
US/Allies get better planes all three are Allied planes please list an Axis tech tree for comparison, oh you did then suggest a plane that is not power creep on existing br3 tt
Oh no! My argument got called!!!, shouldnt have posed a question I didnt know the answer too, Quick introduce a different one…check mate!
…Sorry mate. I gave you the courtesy of responding reasonably… but we are done… If I wanted the opinion of how good a warthunder/enlisted plane is from a “non plane guy”…Id give it to him.
Wow ignoring the fact that you are comparing tech tree and premium/event planes and it is better you said so you’re self, same handling same bomb load, then if you have better guns it’s a better plane.
As for quality of a plane tell me how I am wrong can the 110 take more damage then the 410. Mi don’t care how good you are unless you can prove it. But ok you’re done I accept you surrender, or are you going to declare mission accomplished like bush jr.
Ill give you the benefit of the doubt that its a translation issue/language barrier… because nothing you wrote here, is even close to what is written above…either that or its pigeon chess.
I said the me410 b1 was no better… not better (and certainly not better than the events/premiums)
the first 2 planes I compared it too were TT planes, Not event/premiums
no one said anything about taking more damage…you get hit you are done
stick to your weapon suggestion posts, the translation is failing you…something is anyway
One you are posting inside another’s thread wipe you’re feet and have some respect. Next even the cherry picked plane has bigger guns than both the planes you compared it to. You then later brought up three allied planes that are two event and one premium. You compared the me410b to two bf110s. But it has better guns it what way is the bf110 superior. If almost all stats are equal and those stats not equal are superior how are they equal it does not match. You did compare them when I brought up the difference in fire power you brought up those three planes.
The implication is simple stronger br3 attackers exist so the 410 should be at br3. I quote there are already planes at br3 with more burst fire power, yes allied planes that are not tech tree it has nothing to do with a tech tree German bomber. Find Japanese or German at br3 planes to compare it to. Or heck allied US or USSR br3 tech tree.
I will make it simple you say the bf110 are comparative to the me410. What does the bf110 do better then the me410. The me410 has an equal bomb load and better guns.
Ill make it simple…actually read the very FIRST post you felt the need to glibly respond to. Its small, Not much to read,…and yet you were compelled to respond after “skim reading” it wrong…
anything you have raised has been responded to already…go back, open your eyes and read. enough with the circle work. theres even a response on the 13mm…in any case, you arent a plane guy, and dont use these weapons in the air in any meaningful way (and handling is damn important). best to say nothing
