Me 262 can kill the meta?

[Valkay]

I know, I did hint at that in my post.
I would love to see the Me262 as a unique aircraft to Germany, but no matter how weak it gets implemented as, someone will surely whine about it than all factions would get some weird prototype jets

I know historical accuracy got defenestrated, but I would still prefer to see equipment that was actually used.

[Rickyd123]

@ParaDivision

the rocket version could be used to spam infantry on the ground effectively,

if you talking about R4m A2A rockets then the mk108s would outright be better than those rockets for CAS

[Myrm1don]

@Valkay

I would love to see Me-262, but I rather not if that results in all factions getting experimental aircraft with fantasy load out.

This would be the sucky part I suppose. Brits and Germans used Jets, USA and Japan at least tested their own during WW 2, And I dont think Soviets even had Jets until they got a Me262 in spoils for being the Victor (I could be wrong about that. I Dont know much about the B1, except that it showed up in warthunder). Probably end up with an Su-9 or something

[SzepWaxweiler]

@Myrm1don

I dont think Soviets even had Jets

They did

@SzepWaxweiler

Plane number “302”

A fighter with an unusual power plant, consisting of one upper-stage liquid-propellant rocket engine and two ramjet engines with rectangular controllable nozzles under the wing, a normal cantilever low-wing aircraft according to the design. Under the tail there is a L.S. Dushkin RD-1400 liquid propellant engine with a thrust of up to 1400 kg, under the wing there are two ramjet engines designed by V.S. Zuev. There are two ShVAK cannons in the nose of the fuselage and two of the same under the cockpit, and under the wing there is a retractable suspension for two PCs or FABs. This was the aircraft according to the 1940 project, conceived as the world’s first fighter with a composite jet group. It was developed by a group of engineer M.K. Tikhonravov under the general leadership of A.G. Kostikov - at that time the chief engineer of the RNII (NII-3). In the spring of 1941, the project was reported and approved by the technical council of the institute. After defending the project at the VVA commission, A.G. Kostikov sent the project to the NKAP, where on July 17-18, 1942 it was approved by the commission: S.A. Khristianovich, A.V. Chesalov, S.N. Shishkin, V. I. Polikovsky and others. In the second half of 1942, A. G. Kostikov introduced K. E. Voroshilov to the project. On the same day, at a reception with Stalin, the “302” project was approved, and Kostikov himself was appointed Chief Designer of OKB-55 and director of the pilot plant. M.R. Bisnovat became the head of the OKB , and A.A. Andreev became the deputy. V.D. Yarovitsky was invited to perform strength calculations, and M.K. Tikhonravov was in charge of aerodynamic calculations. By the spring of 1943, the production of Zuev ramjet engines was behind schedule - they were completed only in the form of half-life-size models and did not undergo full testing. The Dushkina D-1-A liquid-propellant rocket engine with a thrust of 1100 kgf with an additional chamber of 450 kgf was not yet ready and had just begun fire tests. Therefore, they decided to equip the 302 fighter only with the RD-2M two-chamber liquid rocket engine. Since the development of the liquid-propellant rocket engine was delayed, it was decided to test the fighter in a glider version, designated “302P”. The weapons and some equipment were removed from the aircraft, and a mock-up of a single-chamber liquid-propellant rocket engine under the fairing was installed in the rear fuselage. At the end of August 1943, he entered testing at the LII. Flight tests revealed not entirely satisfactory stability characteristics, and the 302P was sent to TsAGI, where it was tested in a full-scale wind tunnel. During purging in the T-104 TsAGI pipe, aerodynamic quality K = 15 was achieved. After modifications, the aircraft was comprehensively studied in several dozen flights in tow behind the Tu-2 and B-25. According to S.N. Anokhin’s flight assessment , the “302P” aircraft was exceptionally stable and controllable in all axes, glided well, performed “barrel rolls,” and was easy to land after uncoupling from the towing vehicle. M.L. Gallai , who was on the “302P” flyby, called the car a “standard”. A similar assessment was given by the second flyby pilot B.N. Kudrin
and leading testing engineer V.N. Elagin. The landing speed of 115-120 km/h set during testing corresponded to the normal landing mode of the interceptor. There were no motorized flights due to the unavailability of the rocket engine. The structure of the aircraft is wooden, the wing (RAF-34 15% profiles at the root and NACA-230 8% at the ends) and tail with plywood sheathing, the fuselage is a monocoque. The plane was very clean and pleasant to fly. The landing gear was retracted by a hydraulic system. The first version of the power plant (LPRE and 2 ramjet engines) assumed the highest speed “302” - 900 km/h, ceiling - 9000 m and its climb time - 2 minutes. Calculated data of “302P”: ground speed 800 km/h, ceiling - 18,000 m (?!), climb to altitude 5000 m - 2.1 min, 9000 m - 2.8 min, flight range - 100 km. Only the take-off run was realistic, 16-18 seconds and a take-off speed of 200 km/h. With 400 rounds of ammunition for 4 guns, 505 kg of fuel and 1,230 kg of oxidizer, the empty weight of the aircraft was 1,502 kg and the take-off weight was 3,358 kg.

Armament
Cannons 4 x ShVAK-20
Bombs or RS, pcs. 2

So the 302P is just a plane with rocket engine while normal 302 is rocket + 2jet engine + armament

[Myrm1don]

Learn something every day! nice info

Very hard to find anything substantial on that. First site I saw on google was literally “Sekrit Documents” lol and “never produced to be used”

[SzepWaxweiler]

Search it in Russian

• Опытный истребитель-перехватчик "302" (1943г.)
  Here you can check it out there are other cool planes too like a LA 9 with rocket or jet engines under both wings but was produced after the war

[Myrm1don]

@SzepWaxweiler

Search it in Russian

• Опытный истребитель-перехватчик “302” (1943г.)
  Here you can check it out there are other cool planes too like a LA 9 with rocket or jet engines under both wings but was produced after the war

Oh…thanks for the read…I thought it was at least tested. But that second read said engines designed only as half sized mockup.

“Tested as Glider”.

[SzepWaxweiler]

Still it’s the best we have man and about the engines it’s one of the main problems of Russian plane designing the design a plane for a engine that’s yet to be built and funny thing planned plane is made but still no engines
Though it’s not in WT so I am not hopeful that it will be added but none the less if devs decides to add jet plane this is it otherwise say hello to captured Me 262 anyhow Iirc Su 57 also had engine problems where engine was made way later than plane itself let me see if I can find the YouTube video

[noktinnky_noktin]

well it not as bad as the Ho-ri case at least which i still dont know what the “truth” is since truth often lie

oh wait actually does it exist in warthunder at least? (that the real question i guess)

[Myrm1don]

@noktinnky_noktin

oh wait actually does it exist in warthunder at least? (that the real question i guess)

Yes. Warthunder is not immune from “paper/never completed vehicles”

[gastanofrizzi]

It wouldn’t broke anything American, Japanese and russian has jet prototype as well, mostly it just add a sort of end point we’re ww2 stuff end an cold war stuff starts

[WalterSpeering]

It is thinkable that they will add the 262, the plane really would be a great counter for the mass rocket spam.

BUT:

• they will nerf it to death
• they will give USSR one fantasy plane (that never saw action, oh hello T34-100) to counter it
• US and GB planes still will be “miraculously” faster

[Rickyd123]

@WalterSpeering

US and GB planes still will be “miraculously” faster

oh they will be faster but it’s because jets need much more time to generate speed and it will loose a good amount in a turn

[WalterSpeering]

… didn’t know that those planes could reach 800+ km/h. Sekrit dokumints I guess.

[Rickyd123]

you really think a 262 is going reach anything above 400

[WalterSpeering]

Not in this game.

[Rickyd123]

oh damn too bad we are talking about how it will be in this game