They are very similar weapons in game, but the VG1-5 being slightly better than it because of ammo gets it upteired to the G41s level, and will once again face the same problem it had in Berlin but not tied to assulter, never be used over other stuff. The M1 carbine has a GL variant in T2, so why can’t we have this slightly better normal M1 carbine in the same teir?
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DF could nerf the reload time of VG1-5 slightly to compensate for the 30 round mag.
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Totally reasonable nerf to downteir it so it gets some use
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DF want us to not play low-mid BR Axis and only high BR where we have actual useful guns and vehicles. US will have M1 Carbine with nade Launcher, M1 Garand (while our semi auto sucks), overpowered M1918M2, Lanchesters (50 mag size too), Thompsons. There are no point in playing BR1-3 Germans at all you will get destroyed by both Soviets and especially Americans that gets the best and most accurate guns in BR2/3.
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M1 carbine is worse in basically every aspect.
Plus according to some info from helpers and so, VG should stay usable for vehicle crews after the change, meanwhile M1c stays to be classic semi.
There’s no reason these two weapons should be on same BR. VG will be extremely versatile weapon. And it is superior to M1 carbine.
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M1c is good at CQC and you get a grenade launcher on it, so GL carbine should be lower than VG1-5 ?
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Idk, I preferred Springfield with GL. I actually never used used m1c with GL.
But rather than lowering BR of VG, I would put m1c with GL to BR3.
I believe VG will become FG of mid BRs. I think we’ll see this weapon very frequently. There’s no need to put on BR2.
Let’s put VG on live server as it is. And we will see.
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Well GLs for one faction 1/2 the BR of other GLs are unlocked in within a week of playing needs something moved down a teir to balance that, getting away with teir 4 buffounery in tier 2 is not okay
Seems fair at 3 to me, 30 rounds with higher damage than the M1, lower recoil, better sights and a decent reload, and it’s usable by every class since it’s a Volksturmm rifle.
Personally I do think the grenade launcher M1 carbine should be at a higher BR however
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Not really, M1 carbine has:
+nade launcher
+less dispersion
+same recoil
+same rof
+faster reload
+faster ads
–less dmg per shot
–less velocity
–half the ammo
–more visual recoil
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The stats you listed are better for the VG1-5, but they are relatively small improvements over the M1 carbine except for the magazine, and the sight are objective, I prefer the M1s sights better than the VG1-5s
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The PPS-43 at BR 2 is better than every single German (and I do mean German) progression SMG in the game.
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if the m1c gets a 30 round, call it the m1 carbine with type 4 mag retainer or call it m1 carbine (late), then sure however all GL weapons should be at br 3 at the lowest
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Probably not a tech tree thing, but sounds like a good event reward
The VG1-5 is technically the better gun.
I’d rather that BRs are decompressed so people aren’t shoehorning guns with distinctly better performance together in the same tier for whatever reason.
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or… we could increase slighlty the damage, and reduce the rate of fire while keeping it at that br.
after all it’s a semi auto stg with less precision ( even though, in the game is almost on par / slighlty more precise than the stg. and somehow shoots faster than it’s real life counter part while having no recoil )
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How is that even fair when the US has M1 Garand at the same BR while the germans stuck with G41 with twice the reload time and VG1-5 which is cripple at that BR?
Also buff all semiautos RoF to at least 400~500rpm
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I think US teir 2 is going to be a lot of M1 carbine GL spam and Germany and Japan don’t have anything good enough to balance that it the same teir
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How are Carbines w/ GLs relevant in a topic that directly compares default M1 carbines and the VG1-5?
Just use k98k w/ GLs, which are also tier 2.
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Imo m1 carabine should be buffed in accuracy (lees dispersion) and moved to tier 3
Tier 1 and 2 should be free from semi-auto
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