Is there any intention of making the British and Italians their own tech tree? I read there is an argument of not enough players in Enlisted to do that but what does it matter if the players in the British and Italian tree will be in the same battles as the rest of Allies or Axis? The only trouble I can think about is having enough weapons and vehicles for those tech trees.
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There are currently no plans to split off the British or Italians into their own TT.
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Sad
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This is not an issue
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I doubt they will ever have their own tech tree, however their isnāt any reason for all uniforms not to be available, and more UK and Italian weapons can be added to the tech tree so essentially you could have what ever country squads you want. This should also include uniforms and tech tree kit used by Australia and Canada. If DF just added uniforms and built and added the various countries weapons to the tech tree, there would be no need to separate the various countries that made up the Allies and Axis powers.
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It would be completely pointless to split nations since UK and Italy shared many equipment with their allies.
At least a quarter of the tree would be the same for both Germany and Italy/US and UK.
The real solution would be improvements so UK and Italy doesnāt feel like subfactions.
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A quarter? That seems exagerated.
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Not at all.
US troops using British equipment might be a fairly rare case, but British soldier using US equipment and German using Italian equipment and vice versa was very common.
Almost all mass produced American equipment has also been used by Commonwealth forces, many tanks and aircraft as well.
Some of these would need to be in both tech trees.
Britian had no AR, no modern semi-auto rifles, nothing for SF rifles, no rocket launchers ect. These holes will obviously get filled with ālend-leasedā equipment like the new Soviet AT gun.
Unless DF can round up a lot of obscure prototypes like the type hei auto which players already so āsatisfiedā with
Italy and Germany is even worse since in 1943 following the Italian split, Germany took control of much of Italy and set up a puppet state.
RSI did have its own armed forces but that was relatively small. Most factories were producing Italian equipment for Germany.
The Heer absorbed Italian weapons, vehicles, stockpiles and numerous military personel.
These personel have used a wide variety of German equipment, from Italian pilots flying with Bf-109s to SS infantry with Stg44 and Panzerfaust or FG42s in FallschirmjƤger divisions.
The problem is that both factions could be justified to have all equipment with the exceptions of Volkstrum weapons and prototypes.
I said a quarter because Darkflow would minimise the shared equipment but honestly itās just a rough estimate assuming that the TT gets filled with stupid protos and equipment from other nations like Hungary alongside Italy.
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Thanks for the detailed response. Youāre right that all this happned IRL. But for the sake of the game you can look up previous proposals for Italian / British(commonwealth) Tech Trees and you can see that people have found examples for almost every kind of weapon/Vehicle to achive some level of parity with the other Tech Trees already in the game.
Of course some prototype and a little paper would need to be used but even with lended Items you would still struggle to reach 25% ācopy pasteā, at least for Italy, the only things that would truly be copy paste would be:
- G41
- MG34
- Pz.III
- Panzer Fausts
And Paper:
- P43.bis
- 60mm LanciaBombe
In short, If they could do it for Japan they could certainly do it for IT/GB.
This is also something you cannot ignore. Some countires like Hungary and Romania have unique things to offer and personally I think they would fit well into an Italian Tech Tree. This would help in two ways:
- It would declutter the German TT
- It would bolster the Italian TT and provide a space to represent the smaller axis nations.
Same goes for common wealth nations like Canada and Australia.
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All I can say is: āWe shall overcome somedayā. 
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Thank you for your comment, I agree.
Iāve always said we should have UK separate and include the various Commonwealth nations (such as my country Australia)
Likewise Italy separate and include the minor Axis nations.
For this thread overall, I understand the devs have no plans for this (though I do believe it ought to happen).
But I am awfully sick and tired of people repeating the same misinformation that UK-Commonwealth or Italy + Other Axis Nations wouldnt have enough tech.
Thereās been a number of suggestions about this, with various solutions. I know there were at least 1 or 2 proposed tech trees of just the UK and just Italy alone and they still had plenty of tech.
Once you add the Commonwealth and Other Axis Nations respectively, thereās more than enough.
People get so worked up about copy paste, it astounds me. The actual evidence for many proposed tech trees shows how little copy paste there would actually be.
And if we take UK-Commonwealth for example, is it really going to ruin the game it having one M9 Bazooka? (the PIAT could stand in for the M1 Bazooka).
Then with Thompsons, just give USA and UK different types of Thompsons (like the British often seemed to use the more āProhibition gangsterā style with the front grip, whereas USA tended to have the M1A1 version)
I recall one proposed Italian tech tree had some German copy paste like the MG34, but other forum members quickly found Italian alternatives for those.
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Iām a very strong proponent of separating the tech trees, and I made a theoretical tech tree for the British
People who say that UK has not enough equipment are mistaken. It 100% has more than Japan even if you donāt include lend-lease items
It would also pave the way for campaigns only the British/French fought in like Dunkirk, or a few North Africa maps
I could probably make a theoretical tech tree for Italy as well.
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Britain and Italy, but especially Britain, have more than enough content to have their independent faction
But like I say if Britain and Italy may not be its own independent faction for the foreseeable futureā¦ā¦for nowā¦.then there are steps to at least flesh them out. Plus adding more of their weapons, vehicles, and planes into the current tree
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Do you really want another faction with fictional weapons at top tier when there is already one āJAPANā
Would they really be fictional though?
Instead of shooting down ideas, perhaps you should read peopleās suggestions?
For example for a high tier automatic gun there is the Rieder rifle which was used by South Africa.
As for Japan personally I think DF and the playerbase needs to get its head out of the sand with nonsense high tier. Thereās no law that says we HAVE to have high tier.
If a faction is struggling to fill BR V, then just dont do BR V for that faction. That also doesnt mean the faction as a whole cant exist.
Japan should be BR IV max. We should have UK + Commonwealth and Italy + Other Axis Nations as separate trees. Maybe UK and Italy could go to BR IV if its that much of an issue.
The only ānewā faction id add would be a combined tree of France-Poland-Belgium-Netherlands. I have made a full post about that before. It would be BR I-III, though its probable there are some BR IV weapons that could work.
To be honest it would make sense historically that only USSR, Germany and USA get to BR V.
UK, Italy, Japan and France-Poland all get to BR IV.
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there are no plans, but there is a request.
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A request that doesnāt have much advantage in current situation.
and what is this ācurrent situationā?