Make Britain and Italy great again (without turning them into factions)

[iso_seppo123]

But there are already high br british and italian stuff. Firefly, achilles, breda pg etc. Also we might get churchill 7 one day

[Veekay45]

@iso_seppo123

But there are already high br british and italian stuff. Firefly, achilles, breda pg etc.

Yes there are.

But if Britain or Italy were to become standalone factions, the “balance cult” crowd would cry for automatic rifle, assault rifle, Tiger 2 level tank and jets to be added to both.

And that would result in an insufferable amount of paper projects and fakes.

[Tictaculer]

well there are only 2 tech tree high br things for the uk

[iso_seppo123]

Well that will inevitably happen if uk and italy get separated. They already have few high br stuff which means that they would get more to fill the empty slots

[c4qph2]

I would also add about Italian stationary machine guns.

It would also be cool to see more Italian tanks, self-propelled guns and some maps of Italy. For example, Sicily.

[c4qph2]

@Veekay45

3. Add European Italian uniforms and winter British uniforms.
Italians fought at Stalingrad, British fought during winter time, both need proper uniforms.

At the same time, the English are in dire need of winter clothing in the Ardennes.

Forcing them to fight in the same clothes they wore in Tunisia, adding gloves and balaclavas under their Brodie helmets is a total bloody cringe.

The Englishmans are freezing

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[Arkhipich13-psn]

I believe that every future nation (if we gonna have any at all) shouldn’t go up to BR5 at this point. It would be neat, if Italians only go up to BR3 or British have lesser tech tree and go to BR5.
But this wouldn’t be a problem if DF integrates minor nations into their majors (eg. polish/romainan/italian squads in german tech tree). Considering that some tech tree options are in folders, maybe DF could create italian assault squad which would come with berreta M1 and be in folder with MP40. So you have to grind a little more to play as a “minor/alternative” nation.

Have some Finnish snipers in folder with the sniper rifles etc

I hope you get the idea im trying to get across

[Veekay45]

@Arkhipich13-psn

I hope you get the idea im trying to get across

This idea sounds nice on paper but breaks at the current Enlisted’s system where we’ll see Italy v Britain in Ardennes and Finnish + Romanian troops in Tunisia against French + Polish factions or some BS like that.

All in all, it’s important that every (sub)faction should be hard linked to certain map sets.

[c4qph2]

If Japan had stayed on the BR3 forever . . . we might have had separate BR3 Italy and Britain.

[Arkhipich13-psn]

@Veekay45

and Finnish + Romanian troops in Tunisia against French + Polish factions or some BS like that.

We already have a system which changes italian troops into german uniform on some maps (except for voice lines) So visually it could be solved. For guns/vehichles it would be a problem, yes.

[Veekay45]

Having the event Spitfire makes me want to have a proper solid Commonwealth preset again.

Crusader being the best British tank on BR 1-3 really doesn’t help.

Gajflow, give us Valentine, Churchill, Matilda in tech tree already!

There were many versions you could use besides the premiums you already have.

Valentine

Variant	Gun	Notes
Valentine Mk I	2-pounder (40 mm)	First production version, riveted hull, AEC petrol engine.
Valentine Mk II	2-pdr (40 mm)	Diesel engine (AEC or GMC), improved reliability.
Valentine Mk III	2-pdr (40 mm)	New three-man turret (commander freed from gun-loading).
Valentine Mk IV	2-pdr (40 mm)	US GMC diesel engine, otherwise similar to Mk II.
Valentine Mk V	2-pdr (40 mm)	Based on Mk III with GMC engine.
Valentine Mk VI	2-pdr (40 mm)	Canadian-built version, Besa coaxial MG instead of Vickers.
Valentine Mk VII	2-pdr (40 mm)	Canadian-built with improved armour and radio.
Valentine Mk VIII	6-pdr (57 mm)	Larger turret, no coaxial MG (too cramped).
Valentine Mk IX	6-pdr (57 mm)	Similar to Mk VIII but with GMC diesel engine.
Valentine Mk X	6-pdr (57 mm)	Reintroduced coaxial MG with redesigned turret.
Valentine Mk XI	75 mm gun	Final version, limited production, equivalent to Sherman 75 mm firepower.

Churchill

Variant	Gun	Notes
Churchill Mk I	2-pdr (40 mm) + hull 3-inch howitzer	Initial version; dual gun setup.
Churchill Mk II	2-pdr (40 mm)	Deleted hull howitzer, replaced with MG.
Churchill Mk III	6-pdr (57 mm)	New welded turret, better firepower.
Churchill Mk IV	6-pdr (57 mm)	Cast turret, very common version.
Churchill Mk V	95 mm howitzer	Close-support version.
Churchill Mk VI	75 mm gun	Adapted 6-pdr to fire US/British 75 mm shells.
Churchill Mk VII	75 mm gun	Heavy armour upgrade; Normandy 1944.
Churchill Mk VIII	95 mm howitzer	CS version of Mk VII.
Churchill Mk IX / Mk X	75 mm gun	Upgraded older Mk III/IV with new turrets and armour.

Matilda

Variant	Gun	Notes
Matilda II Mk I (A12)	2-pdr (40 mm)	First production, heavy armour, very slow.
Matilda II Mk II	2-pdr (40 mm)	Improved armour, common in 1940 France and North Africa.
Matilda II Mk III	2-pdr (40 mm)	Diesel engine version, more reliable.
Matilda II Mk IV	2-pdr (40 mm)	Similar to Mk III, mostly engine/production changes.
Matilda II Mk V	2-pdr (40 mm)	Upgraded radio and optics.
Matilda II CS	3-inch howitzer (76.2 mm)	Close-support variant firing smoke/HE.