Major Customization Rework thread ( add missing universal pouches, add said pouches to the shop, clean up the customization list and rework presets to be simplier ) ( 2/3 )

:warning: Disclaimer :warning:
This will be quite an extensive and lenghty suggestion. Which will require some reworks. most of you will probably get bored and wont even read most of it. so do me and everyone else a favor by leaving a like and you may proceed with your day. it will be beneficial for everyone in the long run.
if you’re feeling brave, stick around to find out how and why :wink: . but you have been warned.

A bit of context

Greetings. Today i come with a series of suggestions tackling the many issues of customization in a simple and objective way.
One of three to be exact. ( this should be the second one, first was this one: Players shouldn't buy the same cosmetic item across different campaign presets ( if it's already present ) ). Trying to use simple language, and concrete examples of Fixes.

Without further ado, in this suggestion part, ill try to tackle the following points:

  • missmatching weapons pouches on soldiers from certain tunics
  • Introduce missing pouches that were not previously available on most tunics
  • Reorganize the cosmetic mess-list into making it shorter and more coincise ( to avoid stalingrad soviet customization where one has to scroll ages to find the right pouches )
  • Reduce and simplify pouches positioning work for upcoming tunics
  • Make it easier for future ( and missing ) tunics

But in my honest and “professional” opinion based on experience ( as i have spent countless hours through the editor and the base game while noticing few things ),

This could finally bring an end the whole customization “dilemma” that has been plagued this system since its birth.

…well… technically few of.

Follow behind the weird necessity of having to buy the same item over and over on the same guy for different presets despite also being present over the first suggestion. So its high there.

and as a reminder:

Platera of other issues

general problems:

  • some " presets " of the same tunics are all over the place and not organized sequentially based on the base tunic


( and in germany as well as italian and partially Japan )

  • utterly incomplete

no smg pouches for most factions across several presets.

want just a normal tunic with the essential without making everyone a machinegunner assistant?
too bad. you can’t.

either the full kit and kaboozle or nothing without the customization looking like a stripped recruit / last line of defense soldier pourly equipped rushed to the front at the last second.

no in beteen or outright a selection.

  • most camouflage are missing for a matching set

and the list goes on.

But, in order for this system to work and improve, we have to first cover the basic in order to make the whole system function properly.

1) introduce the modular Universal pouches for all tunics

This sound vague, and since there is a lot to cover, ill provide an explanation panel down below to clarify for those Who dont know what i may be referring to.

Explanation and examples

Long story short, these equipment Allow to be used anywhere as they use belt coordinates instead of fixed ones. Which means, developers will not have to create 7 pouches of the same type for every existing belt of tunics.

The way belt works, each are modelled differently as every tunic has different meshes ( duh ) therefore belts have to follow the shape or otherwise they would clip or look off. And pouches have to do the same.

when enlisted has started, developers opted to make each and singular individual templates for all tunics with a defined set of coordinates.

look, 7+ pouches for essentially the same item:


but if you read the long string, you’ll get a bunch of informations.

attachable_wear_mauser_pouch(which it’s the name ) _ l / r ( where said items go. as there’s both a left and right version of where said items should go ) and other infos. for example, / m44 / ger_01 / 04 etc. which are ids given on which item goes.

and for example, the way it used to work, each tunic had it’s own set of dedicated pouches.
which they started doing, and drop entirely for a better system of " universal " pouches without the need of making all these pouches templates.

and for the sake of time and example, the issued caused the following ( as you can see, the belt for this tunic ( based on experience and … i can’t quite explain the whole thing ) is a tunic_01_summer


hence back in the days it would need a " 01_summer " items.
and in this demonstration, i placed 3 pouches of different kinds.

a 01
an _m44
and an universal one

if i wear the first one:
looks good:

if i wear the m44, it will look off compared to the 01:

and lastly, if i switch tunic and belt with for example, a tunic _02


everything will be off except the universal pouch.

Which its where modular pouches solves many issues.

Greately reducing the work needed. ( as its why most tunics in the game lacks pouches and most are missing presets etc)

less work on templates, more work on new tunics!.

but it would be great to get the missing modular pouches that fits all belts coordinates instead of being prefixed through new and countless templates. just to reiterate, universal ones that applys on all tunics will solve most clipping or glitching visual issues.

with that being said, " universal " pouches of the following items are needed:

( will be in the drop down list for more organization on my part )

just an example of how i structured for easy understanding,

  • Item name ( slot of where it goes )

  • name of the items from the game for a better idea of what item we’re talking about

  • picture of said item

Germany
Front Left Pouches

:warning: ALL of the following items are inside the front_belt_l category :warning:

Stg Pouche

attachable_wear_stg44_pouch_l_zeltbahn_03_ger_summer_item /
attachable_wear_pouch_stg_l_03_ger_summer_item

Large Grenade Pouches

attachable_wear_pioniersturmgepack_L_01_ger_summer_item

Anti tank Pouches

attachable_wear_pzb39_ammo_pouch_l_01_ger_summer_item

Right Front Pouches

:warning: ALL of the following items are inside the front_belt_r category :warning:

Stg Pouche

attachable_wear_stg44_pouch_r_zeltbahn_03_ger_summer_item
attachable_wear_pouch_stg_r_03_ger_summer_item

Machinegun magazine

attachable_wear_mg45_drum_l_knochensack_m40_item

large grenade pouches

attachable_wear_pioniersturmgepack_R_01_ger_summer_item

Anti tank Pouches

attachable_wear_pzb39_ammo_pouch_r_01_ger_summer_item

Accessories

Map Tablet ( side_belt_r )

attachable_wear_map_case_01_ger_summer_item

machinegun round belt ( chest )

attachable_wear_mg131_ammo_belt_knochensack_m40_item

Fg Bandoliers ( chest )

  • attachable_wear_fg42_bandolier_knochesack_m40_item

attachable_wear_fg42_bandolier_knochesack_m43_item
attachable_wear_fg42_bandolier_ramcke_item

  • attachable_wear_fg42_bandolier_splinter_br_knochesack_m43_item
  • attachable_wear_fg42_bandolier_knochesack_m43_item

attachable_wear_fg42_bandolier_var2_knochesack_m40_item

Kochgeschirr M31 ( pot )s

attachable_wear_pot_aframe_01_ger_summer_item
attachable_wear_pot_belt_2_tunic_01_ger_tropic_item
attachable_wear_pot_01_ger_summer_item
attachable_wear_pot_01_ger_winter_item
attachable_wear_pot_zeltbahn_03_ger_summer_item

attachable_wear_pot_02_ger_summer_item

Ussr
Front Left Pouches

:warning: ALL of the following items are inside the front_belt_l category :warning:

nagant Holster

attachable_wear_nagant_holster_l_tanker_jacket_ussr_item
attachable_wear_nagan_holster_l_01_ussr_winter_item
attachable_wear_nagan_holster_l_07_ussr_winter_item

TT pistol holster ( :warning: a left pouch-version of this item is missing :warning: ) it would need to be created.

attachable_wear_ussr_holster_t26_r_nkvd_winter_item

Mosin Rifle Pouches

attachable_wear_pouch_mosin_07_l_ussr_winter_item
attachable_wear_pouch_mosin_10_l_ussr_winter_item
attachable_wear_pouch_mosin_nkvd_l_ussr_winter_item

PPs42/43 pouches

attachable_wear_pouch_pps_08_ussr_summer_item ( :warning: there are no current Left versions of this item. which would need to be created )

Rgd grenade pouch

attachable_wear_pouch_rgd_nkvd_ussr_winter_item
attachable_wear_pouch_rgd_02_ussr_summer_item
attachable_wear_pouch_rgd_07_ussr_winter_item
attachable_wear_pouch_rgd_09_ussr_winter_item
attachable_wear_pouch_rgd_02_ussr_summer_item
attachable_wear_pouch_rgd_01_ussr_winter_item

Right Front Pouches

:warning: ALL of the following items are inside the front_belt_r category :warning:

nagant

attachable_wear_nagan_holster_ameba_ussr_summer_item
attachable_wear_nagan_holster_09_ussr_winter_item
attachable_wear_nagan_holster_tanker_01_ussr_winter_item
attachable_wear_nagan_holster_r_01_ussr_winter_item

TT pistol holster

attachable_wear_tt_06_ussr_summer_item

PPs42/43 pouches

attachable_wear_pouch_pps_08_ussr_summer_item

Mosin Rifle Pouches ( right )

attachable_wear_pouch_mosin_07_r_ussr_winter_item
attachable_wear_pouch_mosin_10_r_ussr_winter_item
attachable_wear_pouch_mosin_nkvd_r_ussr_winter_item

Accessories

Map Tablets ( side_belt_l )

  • attachable_wear_sergeant_field_tablet_summer_01_ussr_item
  • attachable_wear_tanker_tablet_01_ussr_winter_item
    attachable_wear_officer_tablet_07_ussr_winter_item
    attachable_wear_officer_tablet_tanker_jacket_ussr_item
    attachable_wear_officer_tablet_winter_10_ussr_item
    attachable_wear_officer_tablet_09_ussr_winter_item
    attachable_wear_nkvd_tablet_ussr_winter_item
Italy
Front belt pouches

Mab Left Pouch ( :warning: there is currently a " universal " for the right side attachable_berreta_mab38_pouches_front_belt_r_item, but not for the left side )

attachable_wear_berreta_mab38_pouches_l_ita_tropic_02_item

Tarpaulin Pouches :warning: it currently exist an universal one for the right side named attachable_wear_carcano_pouch_tarpaulin_belt_front_r_item, but not for the left side )

attachable_wear_carcano_pouch_tarpaulin_l_grigio_verde_item

Japan, US and UK already have modular pouches. so no need to cover them.

reorganize the customization list

So, for this chapter, its kinda a can of worm on its own.

and in all honesty, i have mixed ideas. so i shall present them accordingly.
but what i do know that not many people likes to sit and scroll through for 3 minutes straight the entire catalogue of the customization just to find the customization item they want ( primarily talking about stalingrad/rzhev customization ).

Like, its fine to have at max, 5 choices per each

One with a backpack, one with only the essentials ( canteens, bread bags ) one with bandoliers, one for machinegunners and lastly, an officer / radio an versions. But all of them on the same tunic with also the pouches is just not practical… or organized.

Hence as explained, remove all types except 5 specific presets mentioned above,
i’ll take once again germany as an example ( due to being the most extended one currently and relatively easy to follow )

:warning: note, the pouches are to be disregarded. as these screenshots were used for a previous ( and failed suggestion ) just the other pieces.

  • essential kit

    Mostly a light kit with only canteens, and breadbags. ( include gasmask bags )

  • rifleman / grenadier kit

    Container all the essentials with the additions of rolls and chest pieces ( riggers, pots and chest pouches )

  • with backpacks ( “engineer” look )

    Just backpacks and full essential

  • radioman / officer look

    With binoculare, essential kits and map tablets

And lastly,

  • machinegunner / assistant gunner look

    Full of essentials with machingunner belts of ammo boxes/ heavier backpacks etc

So that the list will be much cleaner and organized.

Something like normandy, or berlin.

And above all, allows to add new customization pieces without having to worry about “ not enough presets with pouches etc “

the thought process is to remove pouches from the presets. reason being, we can dictate pouches based on the equipment section which i’ll cover later.

but to conclude with this chapter:

Create Subfolders / Foldering feature

where allows players to choose from said presets in a more organized way.
rather than having to scroll through ( eventually and partially is already happening ) 50+ tunics


With that out of the way, a final milestone needs to be achieved.

And we can finally get to the star of the show.

add all pouches type to the equipment and shop menu

Long story short, equipment items such as large magazines or grenade bags overwrites the customization pouches. Hence this can be used to our advantage to shrink the list to a more managable size and just use this system to give pouches to soldiers instead.

And in the shop Page, players will be able to choose among

  • SMG pouches
  • Rifle pouches
  • Semi automatic pouches
  • Special weapons pouches
  • Assault rifle pouches

hence, it will look like ( doesn’t have to be 1on1 )


and the same goes for all other factions. with thompsons/smgs pouches, rifle pouches for mosins, svts, up to japanese lmg pouches, rifles, semi autos and everything else.

to be organized, and allow access to finally get the right pouches for the weapon being used.

Therefore players will be able to buy the pouches that they want, and give them to their troopers outside the customization torso preset. Without getting annoyed at the equipment overwriting pouches like it happens constantly because through said system can decide which one to use either.

in which, for example, if players selects the " small ammo kit " will have visually less things on the soldier ( pouch on only one side ):

( Example )


:warning: just like currently, if players do not want to spend new silvers to match ammo pouches or simply do not care, they can still use older pouches on their soldier and not have to spend a dime.
this system is not to force people into spending more silver if they do not want to.
just an option instead for those who do care and want.


Through these 3 step, we can finally put a rest to the giant issue that this customization is plagued with.

and that should be all.

Considerations

yes, it is a bit of a work, but it can be beneficial and much more organized.
just like everyone likes.

regarding old cosmetics with presets, those will have to inevitably be changed as well.

players will only receive the tunic while the accessories may remain depending on the changes.
which unironically bites me the most because as a compulsive and yet impulsive customization-hound-hoarder, i am the first one to recognize it somewhats doesn’t really benefit me. but it is a greater sacrifice needed for a decent and ideal customization.

so that we can solve previous issues.

Note.
forgot to mention it, but if players runned out of cosmetics bundle, they should be able to buy new ones for appearance cards. something like, 100 seems a fair price for me.

if there are more questions let me know.

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let them read the the long tittle lol

mhh… i edited it a bit to be more easy to read. or rather, get the main point.
even though, corny for my liking.

added the the main " points " in the ()s

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i Will keep an eye on this thread.

this is interesting.

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cheers.

i’m finishing the last part as a new post ( because it’s kinda it’s own thing as a " last thing ". )

and then make a dedicated thread with the link to all 3 suggestions for easier access and hopefully, gets passed down the line and considered.

… at least they cant say i didn’t tried.

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Please oh mighty Snail God let the uniforms finally be improved :snail:

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I’m pretty sure that’s actually a tk26 holster, the TT holster is like 06_ussr_summer or something.