How about spliting LMGs into two categories:
It’s like that in HLL, PS, BFV if I remember correctly.
Ps.
But I’m afraid that 2nd category may be next to useless in the current state of the game. It’s basically the opposite of the meta; run and gun vs stationary mount.
The second category would be useless 90% of the time. I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve been able to use a machine gun in the intended way, without getting instantly deleted.
This just sounda weird to me, I dont think MGs should work like this.
And who said this?
Im just pointing on something whitch is ridiculous stupid.
I dont know, you are probably one of those Rambous so you find it ok, but for normal player it is weird, weapons like this should work well on close range, and middle range, with some better recoil.
But I can remember those Neos who do left and right, still able to shoot you well without problem while moving from one side to a another.
I know (see the “Ps.” section).
It’s the problem of… everything? I can’t think of one major thing that encourages you to camp with bipoded MG at mid-long distance. Maybe pathetic recoil while mounted, but that’s not enough.
Fixing bipods and adding suppresion may help. (I’m writing about MG buff under the post about nerfing them, nice.)
Maps are too small on normandy at the very least, and so much of it is covered in things that severely blocking vision that without magnification you prob wont spot them.
Usually you’re in a 0-150m away from a point, so engagement generally sub 100 as most points. Which puts you in a place that most guns like the bolt action is worthless as they will 1 shot from 100m away (180 if it’s 4 star). LMG’s can one shot from 288m away so things like the FG-42/BAR/BREN will generally one shot you, and a 4 star Garand will 1 shot someone from Point A to B or C.
This is actually something heroes and generals did mostly right was way bigger maps so generally guns had their place. But the maps are too small. With MG recoil also while iron sighted being less than semi-autos. They just really become 20-50 round full auto Garands or G43’s. They dont feel different to play from the rifle.
LMG’s imo need to be more like their tank counterparts 2-4 shots to kill. When the tank 12 lmg takes 2 hits but a dude holding a 7.62 mg takes 1 hit… IDK what to say.
The person I quoted said sprinting.
A fully automatic isn’t gonna help them if you shoot them first. nor is it gonna help you if you get shot first.
Gun makes no different whether its a MG or a rifle. Who shoots and hits first wins. You can cycle the bolt quicker than they can change character
I love shooting the Russian PPD spam in close quarters with a kar98.
Fully automatics make you lazy. Use the bolt action till you love it. When you are good with a rifle, then you really use automatics well
The big issue is the ROF/Ammo clip which imo makes them a bigger improvement.
Kar98, you get 5 bullets, and have to wait a second before your next shot
Mg38/FG-42/BAR/BREN single firing, you can kill 50 people per reload.
the big issue is it again replaces all the gun roles, you instead do a routine at later levels of can you equip in order
It’s actually a balance problem. Without MG34 germans would be crashed in every aspect in Moscowa. PPD/38 is OP(It can delete 2 squards too).
I bet if you look at economy of rounds to kills, rifles shit all over automatics. Thing about automatics is people have no fire discipline because you don’t have to. You get excited and spray…you aren’t gonna see 50 kills to a magazine (hell most people cant get 20 in a whole match)…8 maybe. 8 kills for 30-50 rounds.
Most units started off with rifles and upgraded as newer automatics became available or when they had earned it. I see no problem with that in game
I would say that the biggest problem is run and gun meta. Even if you manage to find nice position to mount (so probably 1-2 spots per map) you will be surrounded or overrun in no time.
Sadly this is just wrong.
Bren I usually get 30+ kills just hipfiring if I “JUST” hipfire all my mags away, that is more bullets than landing 100% every shot with 5/20 rounds of a sniper. You can easily do 3-5 round bursts with the mg42 so that’s generally again 10 kills per mag, and people generally catch one of those bursts.
The kill economy of both guns since they’re both one shot kills up to 288 @ 4 star, the lmg up to 388 @ base
Total bullets x accuracy%
If my accuracy is 30% a bren will kill 27 people with it’s entire mag. So even with 100% accuracy, the guy would get more kills per entire magazine
.3x 30= 9, and thats judging you one tap everyone. Not 27 kills
90 shots in total, but even after moving the goal post it doesn’t work. Again 30% with the bren is 9 which beats the 5 with 100% accuracy.
Economy is per bullet, not per mag. And I guarantee your overall accuracy with a machine gun is well under 40% and that is being HUGELY generous. more likely 20-30%
30% accuracy with the Bren is 9 kills…not 27… (And thats assuming headshot)
And I call bullshit that you get 30 kills from hip firing with the Bren, unless you have headshot aimbot. Because unless you hit a headshot every time, you are gonna have to shoot them twice to actually kill them. 1 to down them, 1 to kill.
And while you are busy lining up that headshot with the Bren, just as easy to do it to you with a rifle. who aims best and fires first wins
Ah right, people think LMG’s do tickle damage because they do on the tanks.
Nope they hit for 2 less damage, and start becoming better one tap damage dealers the further range you get.
At 300m the BASE LMG class guns do 9.6
At 200m the 4 star bolt action do 8.9
So for picking people off from afar with single shots, LMG’s are better. If you go into CQC and miss your first shot in a surprise, i can whip around, miss 3 shots, land the 4th and and we’d both be ready to fire on the fifth. Also remember my gun has less recoil so I can prepare the second shot faster.
Okay are we using total ammo which is 25 for the sniper and 90 for bren
30 rounds per clip x 0.3 = 9 kills
5 rounds per clip x 1.0 = 5 kills
If we go full clips
90 x 0.3 = 27
25 x 1.0 = 25
But if you have 100% accuracy with a sniper you’re also a hacker. This isn’t an SMG this has the semi auto kill rate which is pretty consistent and than becomes BETTER than the sniper at killing people at longer ranges with the base LMG.
I didnt move any goalposts lol. You said:
One mag is 30 bullets.
And comparing a 30 round mag to a 5 round clip is hilarious.
And for guns like the Lee Enfield with a 10 round internal magazine its easy to wipe a whole squad without reloading
Like I said its per bullet not mag.
If we go full clips
90 x 0.3 = 27
25 x 1.0 = 25
Taking that example, For 65 more bullets, you get 2 more kills. Far less economy. give a sniper those 65 extra rounds and see what happens
Thats also assuming that every bullet is a one hit down, which is much lower odds from mgs