M5A1 HE buff

The M5A1 NEEDS a buff for the HE round on it is useless, I can shoot at a enemy on the ground in between their legs and they wont take damage, it has to be a direct hit.

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the 37mm cannon used by the US actually have VERY poor HE performance with less filler than a frag grenade and not made for fragmentation in the same way. Almost half as much HE filler.
It would be more likely to use canister shot on infantry.
They should add canister shot. I want game that isn’t battlefield 1 to feature TANK SHOTGUN

HE rounds are very weak in general though, even for russian 45mm which had TWICE the HE filler as a frag grenade. Ingame, instead, it have tiny splash radius. Some of this can be attribute to cannon based delivery system (fast projectile digging into ground rather than frag land on the floor).

37mm (german and american) should have very VERY weak HE
a 50mm HE shell weighs less than a 45mm HE shell so it can be surmised that it would have somewhat less filler (but more than a frag grenade, likely) ((i could not find data on the round itself)
and 45mm have highest amount at double frag grenade
and then you have 20mm HE which is basically weird AP and only worth discussing when hitting a plane

still, the splash damage on most HE rounds is very low, especially compared to grenades which have room clearing radius

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even if it has less filler then a frag it would still do more damage then legit nothing if shot in between the legs of an enemy, it would at the very least cripple them

Without a replay function you’ve got no real way of knowing just EXACTLY where it landed - there’s so little HE that if you it lands a yard long then it’s really not likely to do any damage :confused:

Gun HE has very peculiar fragmentation patterns - eg from here Effects and Weight of Fire - I don’t know if Enlisted does this much detail, but overall IMO the weak M5 HE is probably a good representation of a weak shell.

The German 7.5 cm Sprgr.34 from the short 7.5cm had even 4 times the filler of the 45mm O-240 HE.
But the HE effect is in game actually not better than the 5cm from the Puma and tbh…even the pumas HE is not waaaaay ahead compared to the US 37mm.

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i can assure you that an AI standing in place for 30 seconds shooting my tank which gives me the time to aim below his feet would kill him, even if it has the filler of a training frag it would cripple him badly enough that for the games sake he is dead

You can’t assure me where it hit, and no amount of you being sure is actually verifiable evidence.

It is a weak round, it gives weak results - it CAN kill with splash damage, so the simplest explanation for your outrage is that it jsut didn’t happen like you think it did.

In another thread he said he dropped TNT on the puma engine block and nothing happened so I think it’s safe to assume it’s user error.

lol!! :rofl:

With such low TTK armor is the single largest threat to infantry. The single largest threat to a tank in enlisted is another tank. I can’t count the number of times my team refuses to spawn any tank so I’m relegated to suiciding Puma’s stuarts and Pz. 3’s.

More on topic though a 37mm shell in enlisted is really only deadly if it hits the enemy straight on. HE was pretty much entirely for dealing with MG emplacements and not for dealing with field infantry. Hell the 37mm gun was only added for Anti-Tank purposes and they basically just added in the HE shells as a afterthought.

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that is a piss poor way to look at it. instead of asking more about it you just say i am lying when legit other people are also saying its to weak. get outta the threads of your gonna act like that

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I asked you for more - you didn’t have anything more.

I didn’t say you are lying - I’m saying you don’t know what actually happened - and yes we all know it is weak - it is supposed to be weak - that reflects the fat that is WAS weak historically.

The best weapon for the M5 against infantry is its machineguns - use them more, HE less.

If you can’t take perfectly reasonable comment on your experience in the game then don’t post about it.

It’s that weak so hitting the ground at 6 man squad damages one and dealing nothing to the rest? Wow…

Yes - it is that weak.

If the enemy are bunched up inside a building you can get several kills - that is the most advantageous circumstance.

Anything other than that and you’ll generally only get 1 kill with a direct hit, very rarely 2.

And that seems about reasonable performance for it.

Even bunched up in a room, you better hope theyre standing next to the wall at the back youre hitting. Not much experience on normandy but i know on moscow that tanks have other ways of getting inside a house and HE is actually my last choice, machineguns can shoot through wooden buildings and AP will punch through stone if you know where theyre standing.

I think the real issue is that people are coming with expectations set by other games, because thats the only experience they have and thats how they think it should be. Regardless, since HE is absolutely garbage for anything under 50mm i would appreciate if theyd just import the ammo load options from WT so you can choose to load some extra AP instead.

Absolutely.

Moscow is pretty much all I play - but I’ve never seen machine guns shoot through house walls - only fences and the very light demolishable buildings.

Never seen AP punch through anything either - be interested in seeing some video of that - would makle life a lot easier!!

I do know the 45mm HE will kill 2-3 AI standing close together in the open - so I have no problems choosing it.

Its worth trying sometime if you havent already, log houses are pretty common on moscow maps especially as objectives, so long as you have a decent guess on where they are holed up inside hosing it down with the MG often nets me a few kills and makes house clearing easier for the infantry.

I rarely use AP on buildings but its what i keep loaded since HE is as discussed and id rather not run into a tank unprepared (especially when youre in a flatfaced box no thicker than 15mm), but i have on occasion gotten annoyed by snipers hovering around the same window and planted a solid shot through the wall about a foot to the left to get a satisfying red hit marker.

All HE needs a BUFF.

Yes I often leave AP loaded in prep for tanks f’sure, and I’m familiar with the types of buildings in moscow! :slight_smile: