Lower the MKB variants (except the sniper),STG45,Horn STG,and Kiraly to BR4

Ppd40 is almost identical to PPsh41 what comes to stats.
What makes most differency is the bit higher rof of 41.
Pretty much same as with Mkb being statwise quite close to Mp43 biggest differency being rof.

So idk how come the mkb that has no place in BR5 TT is such issue to move to 4

Honestly, I dont want to move every SMG to BR4, because some of them could really stay viable even at BR5, you still equip tank crew, pilots and APC drivers with it, but they need to be stronger in CQC than ARs which often doesnt happen anymore.

Im fine with leaving KirĂĄlys at BR5, but the Mkb42s, Horn StG and Stg45 are really not good enough for BR5, while they would fit in just fine with BR4, Mkb42 has almost SMG dispersion. Most people just assume that its as OP as StG44 but with less rpm when that really isnt the case. Its nerfed in every way possible :slightly_frowning_face: who would want to use it?

Both are borderline.

I mean with Kiraly being 4, I’d find it fair that ppd40 would also.

As for mkb… my opinion on it is mixed. I don’t really mind about it :thinking:

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I think it should stay 5.
Mostly because its by far better then the Mkb in cqc and regardless its harder to control at mid-long range its not really that hard.
Aka IF ppl aint intrested to control teh recoil in full-auto with kiraly they can just tap fire and still be capable to fight quite comfortably at mid-long range.

To put it this way, id choose kiraly over mkb any given day. I think its more versatile than mkb.

Doesn’t PPD have this weird inconsistent rate of fire that needs some time to build up? Last time I used one it felt very bad to use with bursts.

I can see it being lowered in BR for sure.
Also the Spitalny shoots much slower.

BR1 SMGs are better than MKB in cqc, thats not the point.

almost…

99% ? Interesting, so its pretty much only about mag size

I played several games last night with my new guerilla German squads in level 5 using their level 2 weapons and did quite well with them. Although the hitting power is weak, both have low recoil and high ROF so I replaced my Ju188’s bomber crew’s back up weapons to the PPS41 Obrez. I still use the Kiraly as their main weapon, but both work good, even in level 5. I bomb with them till shot down, and then use the 5 crewmen as paratroopers. In fact, I don’t even use the level 5 German paratroopers premium squad cuz I don’t like the weapons they come with, so the Ju188 squad is better.

You don’t like fg42? :thinking:

But I like the new commando (guerrilla is such a stupid name) squad. I outfitted the free one with 4 silenced erma emp with silencer AND silenced Czech pistols! I only have 4 so I just use 4 men.

I’ll do a 4 silenced grease gun plus welrod for my Aussie gentlemen!

And a 4 men silenced Brammit plus silenced Nagant Soviets squad!!!

It’s a dream I had for a while.

There’s no silenced Japanese stuff, sadly…

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I like the FG42 II. I also use four of the Breda PG I got from the Battle Pass. It uses the four burst shot mode, which I thought was good since I usually shoot my fully semi auto rifles in short bursts. If you press the trigger to fast it seems like it stahl’s. You have to wait for the burst to end before you can shoot again, so I had to get used to that and slow down my manual rate of fire like I do with fully auto semi autos.

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I think in general the burst is rather slow - I bought one of those after getting the semi versions, but since I now use that one also only in semi I never wanted to get more - since FG42 first pattern is also pretty good in semi auto.

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