List of guns that are in needs of rebalancing in my opinion

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Here are some of the guns that i have used myself that i think in my opinion, needs some rebalancing.

I don’t like the idea of nerf stuff unless it’s extremely broken, so it’s going to be the guns i felt that are quite underwhelming for it’s Battle Rating thus needs some kind of buff or adjustment to be made.

USA

M1C Garand - I really have no idea that why this gun has to be on BR V, should be on BR III.


Austen Mk 1 - Event reward squad weapon. It’s basically the same gun in terms of statwise as Sten Mk II we’d get on the tech tree but somehow this gun is on BR II while Sten Mk II is on BR I, Austen Mk 1 should be on BR I as well i think.


M2 Hyde - Premium squad weapon. As you can see, this gun is comparable to M50 Reising in statwise yet this gun is on BR II while M50 Reising is on BR I. I think this gun should belong to BR I as well.


Sten Mk II(S) - Event reward squad weapon. Basically Sten Mk II with silencer attached. I don’t think silencer alone deserves +1 BR hike. Should be BR I i think.


Enfield P14 (T) - Premium squad weapon. All bolt action sniper rifles in the game have much better damage retention over distances than regualr bolt action rifles yet only this one is somehow excluded from that. Should get better damage retention over distances just like other scoped bolt action sniper rifle in the game.


M2A1 Carbine - BP weapon. Having the same recoil as M2 Carbine on the tech tree would be really nice. Would have been a solid gun if the recoil wasn’t so excessive(Especially horizontal recoil), good RPM, okay damage.

Japan


Type 2 SMG - Not necessarily a bad SMG, but between this and Tokyo Arsenal SMG, i feel like this one kinda loses it’s purpose when both are on BR IV. Would it be too much that if Type 2 SMG go down to BR III?


Type 99 rifle (late) - 48 RPM when fully upgraded really hurts. Unless it receives RPM buff, at the very least this one should go down to BR I i think.


Type 1 SMG - Premium squad weapon. Stats are comparable to MP 28(7.65 mm)which also have 50 rnds yet on BR II. Type 1 SMG does have slightly better stats except recoil compared to MP 28(7.65 mm) but those slightly better stats feels like fail to justify +1 BR hike. Should be BR II i think.


Type 1 SMG (1930) - BP weapon. This one should go down to BR II as well.

Soviet


AT-44 - Event reward squad weapon. 550 RPM makes this assault rifle underwhelming for BR V. RPM buff would be nice, if that’s not possible for historical reason etc, it would be nice to go down to BR IV.


LAD - Now, i feel like this one might be controversial, but hear me out. It does have humongous 150 rnds belt. However, 690 RPM with only 6.6 damage at 10m doesn’t feel like a good gun to use on BR V where all kind of high damage and high RPM guns are being used. Maybe it should get some RPM buff, if that’s not possible then it would be nice to see it go down to BR IV.


Mosin M44 carbine - Not sure why it’s on BR II. It’s RPM and damage is identical as Mosin M1938 carbine which is on BR I. M44 does have better reload speed. However, it’s not a big deal, at least it doesn’t deserve +1 BR hike for sure. Should be on BR I as well i think.


PDM-42 - BP weapon. This gun just feels like a downgraded version of PPS-42. 30 rnds magazine instead of 35 rnds, more recoil than PPS-42, same RPM, on top of that, less damage too. Not sure what to do with this one. Making it BR I would make this gun probably way too good, i guess at the very least reduce it’s recoil by large amount should be done.

Germany


MAS-36 - 23.1 damage at 10m feels really weak for being BR II bolt action rifle, as well as it’s confusing iron sight. There are way better bolt action rifles at BR II other than MAS-36 makes MAS-36 not being used at all, i think it should be BR I.


Gewehr 41 - Feels lackluster compared to semi-auto rifles from other nations at BR III. I think it’s damage should be increased to 15.3 at 10m(Same as G43) from 14.4, that way, it would at least be somewhat comparable to SVT-38 as Gewehr 41 deals more damage while SVT-38 still retains much faster reload speed as well as less recoil advantages.


Sniper Gewehr 41 - Premium squad weapon. Same as Gewehr 41, would be nice to get 15.3 at 10m damage buff.


Gewehr 41 (M) - Premium squad weapon. Same as Gewehr 41, would be nice to get the damage buff.


FNAB-43 - It does have 40 rnds magazine, but 460 RPM feels awful to use for being SMG and doesn’t feel like it’s really belong to BR II. I think it should belong to BR I instead.


OVP M1918 - Worse in every aspect compared to similar Beretta M1918. Could use some recoil buff i think.


MP 3008 - Worse version of Sten Mk II yet somehow sitting at BR II instead of BR I. Should be BR I.


Beretta M38/42 - I have no idea that why this one should be at BR III while Beretta M1 is at BR II. Should be BR II.


Beretta M38A (40 rounds) - Not necessarily a bad SMG, but feels like that being on BR IV is bit too much. Make it go down to BR III perhaps?


ERMA EMP 44 - BP weapon. I really don’t think that this gun belongs to BR IV. I’d put at BR II or BR III maybe.


VMP 1926 - BP weapon. In statwise, very similar to M38A (40 rounds). I think it’s belong to BR III.


MP 28 (extended magazine) - Premium squad weapon. It does have 32 rnds magazine but due to relatively low ROF, as well as considerable amount of horizontal recoil makes this gun unpleasant to use on BR II. Could be BR I instead i think?


MP 40/1 - Premium squad weapon. It’s basically just MP 40 with cool gimmick that after spent first 32 rnds magazine, able to quickly switch into second 32 rnds magazine. While it’s cool, i don’t think it deserves +1 BR hike compared to the tech tree MP 40. Should be BR II instead i think.


STG 45M - Premium squad weapon. Honestly, the most frustrating weapon i have used on BR V ever. 9.6 damage at 10m with 450 RPM just doesn’t work on BR V environment. I really can’t find any reason as to why this weapon should be stay at BR V. I’d even think twice using it even on BR III matches if this was BR III weapon. STG 45M is barely better than MKB 35 and the BR difference between them is 3. Either increases it’s RPM substantially to make it worth while if possible to use it on BR V, or make it’s BR go down.


Horn STG - Event reward squad weapon. It’s better than STG 45M. Unfortunately, not better enough to make it worth while to use it on BR V. 500 RPM with sub 10 damage makes it unsuitable for BR V fights. Same as STG 45M, either increases it’s RPM or make it’s BR go down.


Mkb 42(W) - BP weapon. Yet another one of these 500 RPM sub 10 dmg at BR V assault rifle. Either increases it’s RPM or make it’s BR go down.


Mkb 42(H) - Hooray. You guessed it, another one. Either increases it’s RPM or make it’s BR go down.

Aaand i think that’s about it. There’s some weapons that looked really terrible on statwise but never actually used it myself, such as Scoped Carcano M91 etc.

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You making a massive list decreases the chances of any of these suggestions being implemented.

I also find it funny that instead of calling out the Japanese MP 28 50rd for being an irregularity with absurdly low BR for the recoil and magazine size it has, you’re proposing to use that as an excuse to lower ever more Japanese 50rd SMG BRs when it should be the one moving up BRs.

The Japanese SMGs already perform very well and most are below the BR they would have compared to if they were any other faction’s SMGs. I would not buff any of them at all, and would rather see a few of them increase in BRs.

Every other suggestion, I see making sense.

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A sniper weapon should be + 1br you have a scope if you don’t like it us the regular gun. How is a gun with a scope not stronger than one without one
It’s like people who want bigger mags and higher rates of fire at the same br
A better gun goes at a higher br
Otherwise you a make guns useless or have people bullying people with weaker guns
But yes not 2 br higher that is excessive

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At first I was like:

why lower BRs of Japanese SMGs when they have 50 round mags? then I realized they need 3 shots to kill, not 2 - however then I compared them to Soviet SMGs that also kill with 3 shots…

well let me say I think high capacity SMGs deserve to be on higher BRs, if the other stats are decent of course.

then I continued reading and I did find myself questioning my own believe about balance… well let me just say, you move right on the edge of being ridiculous and reasonable…

I want to agree with you on many of those, but I guess its like Stein Grenadier said, talking about too many of those weapons at once will lead to nothing…

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good post

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Because the US doesn’t have a BR V sniper to compete with Germany’s not one, not two, but three fully automatic sniper rifles all of which have more rounds in the magazine than the M1 so to not leave the top tier US sniper spot empty they shove a weak sniper up there. (same thing can be said about the top tier US tank which out matches the German Tiger II tanks but since there’s nothing that can be done about Germany (unless they decide to add something like the Maus or 10.5cm Tiger II), they let both of these tanks in the same BR)

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Too many weapons suggested in one post
It’s way better to make a suggestion on 1 or 2 weapons, since it may be liked for a specific weapon but not the rest

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Too many weapon and the garand sniper you show have been already buff for 1.5 damaged

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The Gewehr 41 definitely needs a damage buff it was a very powerful rifle

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I agree about Austen Mk 1, M2 Hyde , Type99(late) ,OVP M1918, MP 3008.To buff it up a bit.
I think moving BR is quite risky.

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It is irregularity.
However, like i said, unless it’s extremely broken, i don’t want to see that stuff gets nerf, i’d rather want to see that mediocre stuff gets buff instead.

Besides, MP 28 7.65mm (50 rounds) does deal low damage especially over distances and doesn’t have particularly good RPM either so i think it’s okay to be at BR II. Also, Type 2a SMG is pretty pretty good for BR II, i find it that i’d much prefer using Type 2 a SMG way more over MP 28 7.65 mm.

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Now after thinking about your suggestions for a while and comparing guns with each other, I have to admit, I actually do agree with 90% of what you are saying.

Here let me give my opinion on your massive wall of information, you deserve it for your effort:

  • M1C Garand
    yeah good point, but putting it right away to BR3 could seem extreme, its always safer to just move the gun down one BR and look how the meta might change.

  • Austen MK1
    absolutely true, it got exactly the same stats as Sten gun, with even a 2 round smaller magazine! No debate here should be BR1 without a doubt.

  • M2 Hyde
    absolutely comparable to Rising, thus should move to BR1

  • Sten MK II (S)
    debatable, yet I would also argue that a suppressor doesn’t add anything to the gun besides the coolness factor, but others might disagree.

  • Enfield P14 (T)
    its just a bolt action sniper rifle, without a faster reload or super fast cycling, even the damage is standard, BR1 makes sense here.

  • M2A1
    indeed should get a buff, it having worse stats than its TT variant is stupid.

  • Type 2 Smg
    3 hit kill gun with “decent” rate of fire, “decent dispersion” but a very nice 50 round magazine, could be moved to BR3, that being said its recoil stats are ridiculously good, so maybe that would be a bad idea.

  • Japanese bolt actions in general
    all Japanese bolt actions have a too low rate of fire to be worthy of BR2, besides the Arisaka Type 38 which is already amazing at BR1, this should actually change, Type 38 should be the only bolt action at BR2, while all the others should move to BR1.
    That being said, Japanese sniper rifles have a side mounted scope, which allow for fast reloads with clips, yet since they also have a very low rate of fire, they can stay the way they are.

  • Type 1 SMG (both versions)
    I kinda do agree with you here, they do have rather bad dps for BR3, yet I think moving them to BR2 is still controversial because of the 50 round mag

  • AT44
    does seem a bit underwhelming, but 550 RPM feels much better than 500 RPM in my mind, dont know why, G43k for example also has 550 rpm, and I consider that one usable unlike MKBs, however G43k also has higher damage than AT44.
    a buff seems reasonable.

  • LAD
    That one is a weird one, its basically a SMG disguised as a MG.
    Pretty much a PPSH with double the Mag size, and half the dps.
    I think having 150 rounds without reloading is unique enough to justify it being a BR5 gun - however I also think giving it a tiny bit more damage to make it kill with 2 shots instead could turn it into a reasonable counter to the Cönders.

  • Soviet bolt actions in general
    Mosins have no reason being in BR2 at all, the only bolt action that deserves being in BR2 is the Winchester because of its great rate of fire.

  • PDM 42
    does feel like a cheaper version of PPS, so yeah, it should get some buff.

  • German bolt actions in general
    Germany got pretty good bolt actions, but I think only Mannlicher, VG2, event Gewehr 98 and pre war Kar98 should be BR2 guns.
    Mas36 does not deserve being on that list.

  • G41 and its different variants
    It has a terrible reload speed, and turns into a joke of a gun vs soviet body armor, it having M1 Garand damage is more than fair.

  • FNAB43
    it has a incorrect rate of fire, it should actually have about 800 rounds per minute, which would actually make it worthy of sitting in BR4.
    That being said, in order not to upset specifically Adamnpee ( lol ) there could simply be a second FNAB version added to the game with a higher rate of fire.

  • OVP
    I actually disagree here, I do prefer using it over the M1918 Beretta, however this is most likely do to me preferring the sights being on the other side of the magazine, so its a thing of preference, also if you can get around the terrible sight picture and rather small magazine, its a crazy weapon for being in BR2.

  • MP 3008
    actually not true, Stens kill with 3 shots, MP 3008 kills with two shots

  • Beretta M38/42
    agree here as well, its pretty much just one of those place holder guns that have zero usage, but in BR2 together with its other version it does have some use.
    MP40 has better accuracy, but if you prefer a 40 round magazine then why not pick that one instead.

  • Beretta M38A
    the thing is, its not outstanding in BR4, but the overall package is good, I would say it underperforms maybe a bit for BR4, but would definitely overperform for BR3… well if we assume that PPSH 41 box mag is bugged of course.

  • Erma EMP 44
    absolutely agree here, BR4 is ridiculous for that gun, but BR2 might be a bit much. Moving it down 1 BR at a time is always the safer route to take.

  • VMP 1926
    indeed very comparable to BR4 Beretta, what ever happens to Beretta should also happen to that gun as well.

  • M28 (extended mag)
    MP28 is already terrible compared to Mp34 and BR1 Beretta, it being BR1 without any change could be a bit much tho.

  • MP40/1
    very much just a MP40 with a faster reload speed, should be BR2 but could deserve a bit of a dispersion nerf, to justify the extra weight of the gun.

  • STG 45 (M)
    terrible DPS, I wouldn’t even use it in BR3, the only way this rate of fire could work is if the gun had literally zero recoil and perfect accuracy, so a rate of fire buff of at least 550 should be considered.

  • Horn STG
    same but less terrible, 550 should be the absolute minimum to be playable in BR5. Also I want to add, contrary to popular belief here, I think both Horn and STG 45 should not move to BR4, since they are later versions of STG…

  • MKB (both versions)
    …which brings me to MKBs, I do think they should stay at 500 RPM, and move to BR4, their low DPS will make them ONLY good at medium range combat, where they fill a small niece of being good enough to fight semi autos, but still dont overperform against them while being worse than all SMGs of that BR in close range.

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Yes - i know it’s because of old campaign thing when there’s no BR system implemented yet.
However since we have BR system now, it is pointless to keep them up at that high BR just for the filler purpose. It should be rebalanced for it’s performance alone.

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Alright I will be much more focused on 1-2 stuff next time then

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Thank you for your feedback.
Regarding some of the guns you mentioned, the reason that why i thought MP 3008 is terrible is that because well, It does more damage than Sten gun which is true, however, it also got 110 less RPM than Sten gun. This negates the damage advantage a lot i think, especially when considered that it’s BR II gun.

As for M1C Garand, yes lowering it’s BR safely step by step is a reasonable thing to do, however, we already have Sniper M1Garand at BR III which is… pretty much the same gun. M1C Garand deals little bit more damage i suppose but that’s about it so, yeah in my mind, it belongs to BR III.

OVP, i guess it is a thing of preference. It is crazy good gun due to very good RPM for it’s BR but i do prefer Beretta M1918 over it due to having less obsecuring iron sight, faster reload speed and lower recoil.

Everything else, i see your point, i do agree with you.

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Yes. But i still think that it doesn’t deserve it’s terrible fate that is being on BR V
It’s 8 rnds semi-auto rifle with scope on it, doubt it’s going to be good even if there’s another damage buff on it.

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It one shot pretty far and we don’t see the flash on that gun

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Yes it is, but i still don’t think that those things make it good enough to be on BR V

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Well, that’s because almost all scoped rifles are only usable on snipers.
Dedicated sniper squads can only have up to 5 men, maximum of 3 snipers at the same time. it already kinda puts itself in a bad position in comparison to other squad in my opinion. Them having scoped rifles at the same BR as it’s non scoped version seems fair.

Anyway, Yep 2 BR higher is excessive.

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No it’s not fair not when you can hit a magic button to eliminate sway
I said adding two br that is going from br3’v to br 5 is excessive
Specialist are worth two riflemen that’s the game accept it or us something else