Lets try again - nerf soviet body armor, its OP and unfair and you know it

[noktinnky_noktin]

it always fun when body armor cause other discussion imo

[CaptainSebekel]

Its best counter to it.

[Conscript_Joe]

Once, twice ok, but it’s always the same:

Boos fighting boos

Which ends up ignoring the real issues:

• one faction should not have hidden mechanics other factions cannot have. Should be all, or none.

[noktinnky_noktin]

it just like the saying “history repeats itself”

[robihr]

@Conscript_Joe

So for that strange fake cosmetic, 2 solutions:

• remove any bonuses it gives, make it a real cosmetic.
  Or
• give the same kind to ALL factions; axis, Japan and allies included.

“Problem” solved, as simple as.

well most nations had some kind of body armor, so they can be given to other nations. but i am against it cause cosmetics should be just that, cosmetics. if they have any functional use, then they should be used as equipment and bought with silver.

also another reason why i am against it cause it makes weapon balance pointless. difference between player with armor and without armor is difference of 1 or 2 BR(when paired with vitality).

[Conscript_Joe]

Either one I’m fine with. I’m against one faction benefiting from hidden mechanics and bonuses while all the rest don’t.

All I ask is for everything to be fair between the different factions.

If a mechanic is giving special advantages it should be for all factions. OR no factions at all.

[GeneralBrus]

Well don’t wanna sound rude but… giving invalid counter arguments in order to manipulate a discussion seems kinda dirty to me.

[CaptainSebekel]

What is the great counter to adjust body armor/ not changing the status quo?
If there would be a good one, I would prefer to hear that one over “but the Germans have the Tiger”.

[Conscript_Joe]

Yeah. It’s the common boo answer:

“There’s some weird hidden mechanics that are outside current balancing system that only one faction benefits from as usual. It should be rectified.”

“BUT KING TIGER AND I FEEL FG42II IS STRONGER THAN EVERYTHIIIIING!”

“Mmmmh I’m not talking about weapons…”

“KING TIIIIIIGER!!!”

“…ok…”

[GeneralBrus]

Well in general I am not against soviet body armor - I am however against armor as it is now, there are so many arguments against it, its terribly bad implemented and causes weird balance issues.

Why would it change specifically FG42 hits to kill but Kiraly not? Its arbitrary and influences half the guns not significantly while others become straight up terrible ( G41 that needs two shots to down is horrifically bad )

[Ron_McKracker]

@romario_aguila

Also for Germany designate the FG-42 series to only paratroopers use as that what it was intended for and was never used by basic German soldiers

Also if we’re getting very historical cause we did get rid of protos then every German infantry should be armed with Kar98 for BR1-4 with some carrying G43 here and there and only in BR 5 should they start to fit infantry with STG44 but you know Russians also did have nine man squads armed with ppsh41 USA will just have M1 grands and some Thompsons here and there for there squads

Nine-man squad armed with PPSh and STG 44?

YES PLEASE

[BodyBagger111]

@CaptainSebekel

What is the great counter to adjust body armor/ not changing the status quo?
If there would be a good one, I would prefer to hear that one over “but the Germans have the Tiger”.

Can’t we all just get along? By the way, the Germans have helmets that reduce bullet damage. “Oh my God, I think I may have just started WW III.”

[S-G-44]

@Conscript_Joe

“BUT KING TIGER AND I FEEL FG42II IS STRONGER THAN EVERYTHIIIIING!”

And a racional answer to these kind of ppl Will be like:

“But points arent capped by tanks are capped by infantery and these is where your faction have the adventage over”

" And if You are annoyed by a tank look for it, in high br maps are Even more smaller allowing You to easily take out them just use your brain and a panzerfaust and kill them"

[Myrm1don]

@BodyBagger111

the Germans have helmets that reduce bullet damage. “Oh my God, I think I may have just started WW III.”

no doubt you would have done, if they could be purchased for every soldier and squad

[Mortarion_Death]

@S-G-44

they we’re using the 10% damage reduction armor + vitality that only means that all the affirmations of the sov armor are true they do a impact into the Game which is obvious

I specifically asked how many players played for the USSR in the clan war. Answer: players played BR2, but most played for the Germans, although all sides were available. Clan war is when the best of the best find out who is the best. And these people did not use PPS42-43 and cuirasses. That is, people who can play well and use any advantage, did not use the advantage of the cuirass. How did this happen? Can you answer this? It seems that this is not a serious advantage, moreover, it is possible that the cuirass actually improves the balance. From this point of view, no one has thought and does not want to think.

[Mortarion_Death]

@Ratardo

While i dont personaly care about body armor its still strange that one faction has some ‘mechanics’ that others dont.

I completely agree. I suggest removing impact grenades and phosphorus grenades from the game.

[Mortarion_Death]

@Darenius1

The extra bullet also does matter as it effectively is halfing the RPM of the FG into just 430 RPM which is way lower than their counterpart of any othere faction.

Sounds nice, but the AVT-40 fires a bullet every 0.09 seconds. The Internet says that the average reaction time is 0.1-0.3 seconds. That is, you are physically incapable of sending each individual bullet into the enemy when shooting in fully automatic mode. So you will have to shoot with a delay. To have time to react. The FG42-2 fires 2 bullets in 0.3 seconds. Let’s add ping, aiming time and what do we get? That there is no difference. But the worst thing is that without the cuirass, the Germans will get a total advantage. With the AVT-40, you can miss 6 times. With the FG-42-2, you can miss 11 times. The cuirass literally makes the balance better. And you want to remove it. You think it’s unfair. Ironic.

[S-G-44]

I think we have different scenarios idk what kind of war and who we’re involved

And if You are confused too…what im reffering to this these explanation could clarify the things

I had friendly war with members of a clan called RGD if i’m not wrong there we’re many users that You could reconize “boristheblade”
“Krivoi_d”…m i just remember these 2 because i Lost the replay… And all of them were using br 2 equipment with soviets specially pps 42 and 43 spam and all their soldiers we’re using the armor…

No one of them were using any other faction…

And if they we’rent using the armor they could have been using any other Game mechani
that i havent noticed yet

[Mortarion_Death]

@S-G-44

And all of them were using br 2 equipment with soviets specially pps 42 and 43 spam and all their soldiers we’re using the armor…

all of them - is it all 2 players? And what did you use? The direct participant himself told me that they played mainly for the German. Here is a quote:
“in fact: almost all of ours for the Germans. + a little bit of the USA and the USSR. and one of them put a PP mine, but it did not help them”

so why didn’t they play only for the USSR?

[Mortarion_Death]

@S-G-44

And if they we’rent using the armor they could have been using any other Game mechani
that i havent noticed yet

and I was told that you knew and even accused opponents of something. It doesn’t matter. That’s not what we’re talking about.