Lend-Lease for friends, or lending out your weapons to your squadmates

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Introduction
Forgive me, this is a long one, and if I had more time I’d have written a shorter letter but my small life requires I get back too it, please bear with me.

I have several friends who I squad up with from time to time who only really play the game when they play with me, whilst I myself play several times a week often on my own. What I’ve noticed is that whilst I’ve entierly completed one nation and am well on the way to completing two more after only playing for just shy of a year, my friends have not yet progressed to BR 3 in the one faction we all play as in the same period of time. Isn’t it weird that after 100 hours in the game you have only ever gone from BR 1 to BR 2? Half my enjoyment in this game is unlocking cool shit and showing it to my friends, but how will I ever get to show off new things if me bringing the “newest cool thing” means all my firends get massively uptiered?

So, what I am proposing is a system that allows you to put weapons into a common pool when you’re in a squad that everyone can access and equip. Here are just some of the pros for this idea.

The Pros

  1. People don’t have to suffer for not playing as much as their friends.

I got premium, I play more than 10 times than my friend with closest amount of playtime, how can we not feel like we’re on two different planets when they’re stuck in BR 2 and I’m about to complete my second country?

  1. Someone still has to pay for everything.

I would rather sink my silver into equipment for my friends than the occasional veteran boxes that are both unlikely to even give me anything worthwile (useless booster number 72…) and that only I benefit from. Someone still has to grind, someone is still putting in the hours (and lets be honest with the grind, also the money) to not just progress but also help my friends.

Lets be charitable to Darkflow for a second (a rare thing these days I know), they’re a company that just like any other want people to use their product and (more importantly) pay for using their product. This is entierly understandable and justifiable, Enlisted is not a charity and is entierly kept up by the revenue generated by gold and premium squad sales. Logicly I don’t expect these why these sales would go down if this change was implemented, you wouldn’t be able to share a premium squad (I am ONLY asking for a equipment pool, squads and soldiers would still need to be unlocked) and those who grind for others would still pick up their elite battle passes and buying premium as they currently still are. In fact I see more people buying premium squads for BRs and/or countries they otherwise wouldn’t consider playing in, so that they have something cool and unique themselves whilst squading up (it’s a small price when you’ve been handed everything else by a friend).

  1. Accessing the “wider audiance”.

Making higher BRs more accessible specificly through experienced friends can only be a good, right? Right now Enlisted is really only a game experienced in full by those that have either been here a very long time or people with far too little else to do in life (this is me). I hate using the word “wider audiance” (it’s almost always a myth in videogaming), but yes people who pick up the game and are scared by the grind won’t keep playing the game, the only thing that keeps my friends from dropping the game in it’s entierty is the fact that they find it enjoyable to play and (more imprtantly) it’s a game we enjoy playing together.

The Ending

This is just an idea that came to me an hour ago, what do you guys think?

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The issue I have with this is it defeats the purpose of grinding the game, but how it could be a bit possible is the other player you’re lending to has some of their silver they earned from the battle given to you as payment for every match they borrow that weapon from you. and it stacks up to a max, depending on how many they are borrowing from you for.

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Thank you for your post.

I too have considered this issue.

I"ve been trying to get my mates to play Enlisted for ages. (we currently play Hell Let Loose).

Now they just dont seem to be interested unfortunately but if I ever did get them to download it, one of the problems is precisely as you describe.

Im at BR II going on BR III for Germany and Japan
Ive completed the Allied tech tree and currently at BR V.

So if they log on as first time players, what am I supposed to do?

Yes, I could take my lineups back to Springfields and Sten guns but its inconvenient as well as disappointing for them who’ve seen me with Thompsons and Lee Enfields for example.

I think you have good ideas.

Lend-Lease is at the expense of the player, NOT DarkFlow.

After all many of us longer term players have large amounts of silver which isnt really being used and cant be converted to gold.

So lending equipment, especially spares youre not using, to a squadmate seems a better use of a dormant resource imo.

Furthermore I believe this could make progress towards fixing the issue of Too Many Bots/Not Enough Players.

IIRC one of the reasons BR III Allies keeps being put against BR V Japan is that there arent enough BR III or BR IV Japan players.
So if I as a Japan player could provide equipment to my new friends then we could do Japan BR III and that helps everyone.

As for the grind, as you say they still have to grind their own squads, upgrades, level up soldiers and such.
We could even make it that lend-leased equipment reverts to the ‘bare bones’ version i.e no upgrades.

Also just as an aside, tbh Ive never really understood why DF NEEDS players to do the grind.
Like, if Im a BR II Germany player right, it doesnt affect DF whether I get to BR IV or not.

As an F2P player I have no intention of spending real money on the game, certainly at the prices they’re charging unless it was a really good deal for something really interesting and helpful.

There are other players of course who are happy to get out the credit card for a tank thats basically the same as the tech tree one but has a ‘special’ skin for instance and thats great that makes money for DF and we’re all happy.

Continuing on with that point its like if youre a premium or willing to pay premium, youre gonna buy squads anyway.
So I would clarify Im not saying Remove the Grind Im just questioning why people are so defensive of it.

This is even more relevant to event squads. Events are often ‘free’. They require a lot of playing which is annoying, but you can get stuff without DarkFlow gaining anything financially.

So my question is why then must so much potential tech be locked as events which only happen once or twice and thats it forever when they really belong in the tech tree and either way players get them for free??

Eg. Universal Carrier. that shouldve been a tech tree British-Commonwealth squad as an alternative to the American Studebaker. I know that the devs plan to allow uniform swaps but hey I wanna use the vehicle that British-Commonwealth forces tended to use.
The UC is also a good alternative since its tracked.

Myself and others have agreed it would be great to have UC as I said and also an Italian truck as an APC.

So Allies and Axis have a wheeled or tracked option for an APC. And an American OR British, German OR Italian option in terms of the squad itself.

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You can set up weapon reset in the settings.
That’s how I give the partisans Grenade launchers)

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Sounds reasonable…

Maybe if your friends were able to play with better weapons, they would be more interested in the game and perhaps play more—and willing to do more grinding. The game definitely needs more players!

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No I wouldn’t say it “defeats the purpose of the grind”.

The grind exist for two primary reasons:

  1. Getting players comfortable with each weapon, weapontype and class as well as for training “game sense” (just being able to make good calls whilst in the game, when to charge on to a point and when to hold back and so on). There are vastly different skills needed for BR II and BR V. You get better at playing the game by playing the game, just like you get better at anything by doing it more.

Here the experience you aren’t getting from grinding out the gear is instead replaced by a experienced friend guiding you. Is it perfect? No, but neither is only relying on personal experience, I’d wager you gain more from playing with someone who gives you good feedback than you get by doing the wrong thing over and over without being told what you’re failing at.

  1. DF wants you to play the game. It’s simple, they’ve got a product and they want you to use it. If you have to play more to progress then that’s what you’ll have to do to progress.

Here my idea doesn’t fail either, if you can bring in new meat by the promise of “try the cool shit I’ve got you don’t have to grind for it to begin with” would be a awsome marketing trick. Get the newer players hooked on the cool and fancy stuff and you’ll leave them wanting more. More people to use the product = more good.

What’s more, someone still has to sink in the hours to buy (and probably upgrade) all the weapons, that’s one guy who has to do an awful lot of grinding to kit out one to three other players. Not an insignificant amount of grind there, meaning that there is no “grind lost”, and that there’s one more dedicated player out there play the game (= more good, you get it).

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I think you don’t know that we can bind to drop our weapon

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I do and it’s not in any way a substitute to my idea.

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Hear hear.

I know with Hell Let Loose my friend raged quitted the first time after being shot from across the map the moment spawning.

We play together also with his friend and its really good. Now to relate to your point it’s like HLL I would NOT play without friends to guide me. I rarely get more than 4 kills and thats in a 2 hour match…

But because Im with friends its fun and as you alluded to its much easier to learn the game when you can physically ask your mate rather than just dying constantly and wondering why that is
(we even had a random guy being an excellent leader for us we think he was an actual Australian Army veteran and a great bloke either way.)

So yeah I think that applies to Enlisted as well.

@BodyBagger111 Yes absolutely I think they are (unfortunately) used to COD and such so they want things like M2 Carbine or STG style weapons whereas I’m super happy with a Lee Enfield .303 rifle (since that’s what the ANZACs used).
I imagine a lot of players, especially younger ones are like that and in some ways it’s DF’s fault. Take the Burma update. The preview for that showed a high rank tank with rockets and special Chinese squad with cool looking Thompsons.
Whereas obviously for most players the reality is Springfields and Lanchesters being smashed by BR V Japan with their fairytale auto rifle.

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yeah like your friend can rent it from you with your permission and you can set the price, like idk maybe 1 gold coin or 20,000 silver coin… that would be a win for the both of us because one got a weapon, the other got cash.

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That absurd it would just be a money laundry