Tiger should be in BR5 right now and I don’t quite understand your analogy.
but I play mainly in the US, I have destroyed many Tigers since the Legacy version with aircraft and TNT.
If an aircraft slot was occupied by a non-CAS ally, I would sometimes challenge the Tiger with a Sherman, but I rarely took the tank out to kill the Tiger if I had other means, as I consider the Sherman to be an infantry support tank.
If a Tiger appeared, he would go out with his aircraft and promptly destroy it, then CAS for a while before returning to infantry. If you have a good pilot on your side, just spot the Tiger and wait.
If the CAS is decent, the Tiger is so slow that it will be destroyed in no time and the problem is solved.
But shouldnt this mean that Tiger 2 can be BR 3 as planes and det packs exist.
If armor is primarily used for tank vs tank engagments and largely irrelevent for everyone else?
The KV still has a potent gun for BR 3 and the best armor when angeled by far. It is really strong at 3 and a pain for new players if USSR wouldnt be a ghost town.
I know that the KV would be useless in BR 4 but so are many othere tanks already existing at BR 4…
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However, I encountered KV1 many times in the Legacy version of Stalingrad and was able to destroy it with Pz IV F2 without any problem.
And I really don’t understand, isn’t the KV1 now BR3?
Are you talking about a different tank and not this KV1?
I don’t understand why the OP and you are upset about BR3 tanks having a huge advantage over BR2 tanks.
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Then this should be a thread about which queue BR3 should be matched up against. There are already several threads discussing BR3 playing against BR1 and BR5.
If you start an argument that KV1 should be BR4, people will argue against it. Don’t change the point.
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The problem that is being discussed here is that the KV1 is BR III and destroys everything that is BR I-II, and the example that you give here is not valid because you are naming the Pz 4 F2 which is BR III.
What we want to see implemented is for there to be a queue only for BR III to avoid the aforementioned problem.
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I would like you to tell me when I requested that the BR of KV 1 be changed. I don’t think you’ve bothered to read anything. Well, maybe the last few posts…
Loved it as well, but that’s the thing, I’m not playing BR III (nor IV, V), and if I want a chance against the kv I need the F2, and then I’ll find BR IV, I don’t like it.
That KV is BR III, but it appears in BR II battles, destroying the poor nobs or light armoured vehis, that’s why the complain.
I’ll edit rn, it’s time to change it and point out what’s best.
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Nobody should be forced to gamble with BR 3 just to be able to counter some BR 3 bullshit.
I can understand that BR 3 can be better than BR 2 but then why doesnt germany get the Jagdpanzer 4 just to have a similar vehicle imune to low tier tanks.
So far all but 2 soviet tanks can pen all up to BR 3 tanks frontaly.
The only exeptions are the T 60 and the flame tank.
But for the Axis only BR 3 should be able to do that reliably?
If one wants to use BR 2 tanks one has to use the 50mm guns that just arent that good and the HEAT rounds are for tanks are no longer available for new players.
Soviet BR3 may be matched with German BR3.
If you have a complaint about the matching, you should make a suggestion about the matching instead of arguing against the KV1 BR.
KV1 is overperforming because Panzer IV F2 has too little post pen damage, and because Panzer IV F2 bounces quite often on KV1 - even though it has 130mm of penetration power and the KV only has 75mm of armor.
Ofc a BR3 vehicle performs better than a BR2 vehicle - thats the whole point of battle ratings.
Also Panzer III J1 with its L60 5cm gun can at least fight back if aimed correctly and with multiple hits on target, then it has sometimes a chance at taking out KV 1s that don’t pay attention.
However that is true for basically every vehicle in the game.
Historically speaking the KV1 was a total shock for the Wehrmacht because all the Germans had at the time was the short 5cm canon - which had no chance against KV tanks.
There are storys about just one KV tank holding off entire tank battalions. Later when the long 7.5cm gun got introduced on Stugs and Panzer IV the KV tanks became obsolete, because T34s did the same job, but were much cheaper.
So gameplay wise the KV tanks should be an alternative to the early T34s - which should have equal power to Panzer IV F2 and Stug - so to speak soviet tanks having better armor, while German tanks having the better guns, however explosive filler is still OP and matters too much - which makes German vehicles in that regard very bad - soviet tanks have the better armor AND the better guns.
This needs to be fixed - then the KV tank won’t cause balance issues anymore.
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Let’s see dude, 1st) I didn’t make the post, I just commented. And my comments go in that direction, that is, to make a separate queue for the BR III.
2nd) make it clear that the balance is poorly implemented, seeing that there are KV1 facing tanks that will never destroy it and will always be destroyed.
I hope your reading comprehension skills work their magic this time.
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If matching at BR3 is gambling, then the Soviet soldier who brought the KV1 into the match is also gambling.
If he was matched with a lower-ranked team, then he won the gamble.
In the interest of fairness, shouldn’t Germany also gamble if they want to compete with KV1, who gambled to get into the match?
Well, I don’t think BR3 should be a gambling BR, I think BR matching should be +/- 1, not +/- 2, imo.
But that is not the point of this thread.
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You want games just decided by a coin toss now?
Beeing forced to match for BR 3 isnt fun so people might prefer (or only have have) BR 2.
Until MM isnt reworked changing the BR is the easiest option and the KV initialy was intended to be BR 4 so it wouldnt be outragous to propose for it to return to BR 4.
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From my point of view, I was commenting on the OP and Adam’s comments, and you brought up BR3 matching, which I was not talking about, and made accusations like “your point is different”.
If you are talking about something different than the OP, don’t interrupt the conversation. Next time, please resolve your 8 year old level of conversational etiquette before you talk to me.
Can you not even read 4 sentences down?
If you are replying without reading my entire post, please calm down before commenting because I am not going to have a conversation with someone who is lose one’s temper boy.
No? The only thing BR matter is balance by gear performance, which is arbitrary currently
Wtf people keeps pulling those Historical card when is a a rotten corpse that is not even funny keep kicking it?
Pz IV J is dogshite though, I still prefer the Pz III N over it
Exactly, and KV-1 in BR IV will be useless, as the only thing it can damage will be Panzer IV H.
Idiots have enough weapons to destroy KV-1 in BR I, II, III, they just dont know how to use them.
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Same for Pz IV H in BR IV but here we are
But you know what? At least your KV1 has 75mm armor than can somehow negate detpacks
The Pz IV J, G and H has 50mm turret armor that is guaranteed 1 shot and disabled/dies
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I dont play BR III 
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