Exept the zis 5 would be nearly indestructable even for tanks in their own BR when angeled but even more so when down tiered.
You might aswell make the jagdpanzer IV into BR 3. This way each nation has access to basicly frontaly immortal tanks to stomp lower BR players.
Good counterpoints from u both, which is fair. My only point is, I main BR3-5 Soviets, prob 500+ matches since Zis KV1 arrived easily.
Ive NEVER EVER seen one. Not once. Like lots of TDs it sees completely zero play.
My suggestion was to make it a mini Tiger 1H thats BR4 machine, but make it a BR3 downtier to at least push some playability (as the Tiger br4 does).
I agree it might be powercreep. I think first keep moving TDs down BR brackets till they see play.
As for KV85 - should be BR4, or an event/premium machine, simply for variety.
So do we also need to push the panther A into BR 3 by that logic? But then if you make the zis 5 BR 3 then the L11 version will be the new zis 5 that needs a reason to make viable.
How do you manage that? Push it into BR 2?
Just sometimes I am not sure if people useing the âpowercreept in its own BRâ excuse have thought so far.
Kinda annoying but sadly a reality on the forum.
BTW I did see the Zis-5 ingame and it was hell to destroy even in a panzer 4G.
i know then put the kv1 jokezis 5 on tier 3 , what ? you think this tank is good enough for tier 4 ? thats dumb enough when panther and tigers h1 shows to be better and superior against it and replaced by t34 85 .
you people really superstimate the kv1 jokezis5 armor , its just sad , this tank should be better in tier 3 not 4 , armor will not save anyone only the canon but the canon doesnt even help something that cant do even decent job to destroy panther and tigers in face to face
put kv1 jokezis on tier 3 then
Just put the t-34-85âs in br5 and downtier the is-1 and so-85 to br4 with the kv-85 since the kv series tanks and is-1 are slower then the t-34-85
It might be the same logic that justifies the panther been in the same tier as the T34-85, even when it can take out IS-1s easily while the 85mm gun struggles against is frontal plates.
Honestly the current BR layout we have for tanks doesnât feels right to me.
that would make little sense still, non of the above are good at tier 5. the thing is that with the king tiger in its idealized state around not even the IS-2 is a good fit for a final tier 5 unlock.
I know it might feel like yet another prototype added to the list but I think that the T44-100 and IS-3 would actually work as final unlocks. yes they never saw combat in ww2 but they at least were in service towards the end of the war, and were not pushed to battle due to political and strategic reasons.
In the case of the IS-3 it did participate in the victory parade, so that is something.
that is the main issue I have with tanks in enlisted, the maps are too narrow for armored flanking maneuvers in berlin and other city maps, so it becomes at gray zone camp fest that favors whom ever has the thicker frontal plate. while in open maps, this can easily be fixed by flanking and using the tank as tank, rather than a glorified bunker with a big gun.
The victory parade that only occured months after the war had ended.
So no that is not an indicator if it was ready in time to have existed during WW2 itself.
the IS-3 entered service, but it takes time to outfit a unit with a new tank, so yes it arrived to the front late nearly at the same time the surrender happened or a bit later. it never saw combat in ww2.
If it counts, the unit that had the IS-3s already had them by the time the soviets were in Manchuria, so now that we are going to get that theater in the new updates, it would fit in in the time frame, still no IS-3s were sent to Manchuria that I know of.
The world of tanks is getting closer, but we are getting further from God.
For a start, I dont want to see the IS-3 ever in game, its just not WW2, its even a push to say it was operational during the parade considering the rest of its life was so plagued with reliability issues it would make a tigers transmission blush.
But there is also the fact, the IS-3 is absolutely better that the KTH, and should it be in a downtier, it would be completely and utterly broken. The T-44-100 if you had to add a prototype type vehicle, would be more acceptable from the balance perspective at least.
Personally though Id rather see the SU100 and ISU152 as direct Tiger killers, Iâm a great fan of asymmetric balance.
I get that the IS-3 might be pushing it too far in to the cold war even if it existed during Manchuria, still, how is the IS-3 better in paper than a king tiger?, the gun of the IS-3 would struggle to pen the frontal armor of king tiger and the king tiger one would probably have the exact same issue, so both would be force to aim to the weak spots.
The problem is more, the IS-3 has comparatively a small weakspot, but its more it would completely and utterly break any semblance of balance BR 4 and lord forbid BR 3 would have.
Unless you wanted to add a BR 6 specifically for it and other vehicles like maybe the T95.
There is nothing wrong with the germans having a better top tank vs everyone else, as long as everyone else has a tank they can stand a solid chance of winning regardless. I mean the US is said to have the best aircraft, I prefer the soviet aircraft personally alas, having everyone have completely equal vehicles is a bit boring.
its already panful to have br3 guys getting slaughtered in BR 5, most of the time they are just cannon fodder, the solution to that is to change the matchmaking system when it is possible to have cleaner matches with only one up and down BR level, or even better with no cross BR battles.
We have talked about it at length, BR4 is a dead tier because of it, which is a shame since frankly, the game should just never have gone to BR5, or at least contain BR5 to itself, let BR4 be the new top, there is not a single thing you can fight in BR 4 with BR 3 that isnt fun to fight and overcome.
I used to think the same with the T50 still it got nerfed by making it one of its weaker variants, even after they gave the Germans a ammo type in their tanks that was able to deal with it. if asymmetric balance is the goal, I donât get why they did that.
the Pz3N is another issue Ive talked about a lot, the pz3 N should get its late war HEAT shell and then move to BR3.
Though ngl the T-28E is far better than the T-50 anyway for AT and AP regardless.