Kar98K Tench

I don’t think it’s out of nothing

This rifle has no trade-offs

And I’ve never for once seen the said rifle in the game. That’s when we have a very few players. There will be thousands once the game goes live. You’ll most likely never encounter them. I don’t see them an unfair advantage at all. The vitality is surely unkind to new players but the rifle itself, nope. If you are smart enough to understand that your equipment can’t compete head to head against someone else’s, find a different way of making yours viable. Enlisted gives you plenty of ways to do this. I don’t want this aspect of the game going away for the sake of balance.

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So you’re saying any and all P2W is fine? As I guess we can just make our MP40s viable just like those MP41s.

To me the context is not the issue
The fact that the developers are fine with giving people objectively STRONGER (strongER, not strong, as rifles might be worse than SMGs, these rifles are still better) items for money, is.

If we are okay with rifles, what is preventing them from giving up P2W anti-tank rifles? or shotguns? or pistols? those are not meta after all

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I did not say P2W is fine. I said, rifles however good they come, I don’t find them good enough to single handedly win you games. And for that reason, K98 Trench is not the weapon I would use to point out the unfairness in the game. They only offer a slight advantage in weapons of the same class. On the other hand, MP-41s and PPKs combined with the super soldiers that wield them challenges every weapon class and player skills in the game without without even having to try.
Putting the meta in game in hands of players with zero experience, making them just as effective as a veteran against another veteran, that’s bad.

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pay to win =/= a weapon that single-handedly wins you the game
pay to win = item that increases your win% compared to using a similar item that was not paid for.

you are against giving the players meta gear, not against P2W.

A majority of us wants the P2W gone forever. Reality is, that is not happening. Best to work with what we have. Going up against a rifle that one shots you is a lesser suffering than a SMG with zero recoil. And you might survive the rifle shot as it still relies on player skill.

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it is happening if we stop playing games that have it.
Have them learn it the hard way by having the game fail and lose them money.

It’s not a matter of if, it’s when.

The current progression system like you said will indeed kill the game. Not having a progression system will kill it too. It will also fail if the game is paid(unless there are some massive changes), and it will fail without the money from packs. And no one is buying the packs if it is not going to give them anything worth the money.
So, all we can do is make sure that when it fails and devs are looking for ideas, they don’t f up the balance like with the current premium squads. That’s where my rifle argument comes in. It’s better to have P2W rifles than SMGs. It’s a nice balance between money and player skill. With the perks reworked ofc, but that needs a thread of it’s own.

tell that to the people who pay 130$ for a few cosmetics and ingame currency alongside not having to grind 3 or so hours to get the new prime stuff.

The premium stuff doesnt have to be super fancy. Heck even stuff like the premium jagdpanther in warthunder used to sell decently, until it got premiumcreeped out of interest.

The only requirement is for enough people to genuinely enjoy the game enough for them to be willing to spend money. But gaijin’s free frustrate to play system does not work that way.

For paid cosmetics to be a thing, the game has to be main stream enough. This game is not competitive either. Plus, no one has the time to look what you are wearing. And this is also a historical game. I don’t want to see anime characters firing a gun from Halo or something.
Premium squads and P2W aspect of the game is only one of the many reasons that is sending this game south. And can be fixed quite easily. The progression, equipment, the overall arcade-y nature of the game, that will take a long time.

And because of this

We cannot have this

negative feedback loop aquired. Game is dead.

Uniforms
Medals
Weapon finished (birch wood vs oak wood, for example)

There are people saying Germans uniforms are better due to them being green dude and that Soviet ones are trash. And then Soviet gun sights are trash when it’s a preference thing.
You can’t make everyone happy with anything. State opinions and let the devs choose. That’s the least you can expect of them. Which they haven’t, which makes me want them to learn it the hard way.

I don’t consider premium squads a big enough reason to not suggest this game to others. The lack of sense of achievement and the luck business is what’s ruining it for me. And again, P2W issue is easily fixable and I have hope since there was an official thread on the forum a while back. The real problems are not getting fixed and that makes me not want to ask anyone else to pay for this game. Cosmetics instead of super soldiers won’t change that.

Im talking about having markings on them. Insignias etc. Not the entire uniform be different.

That is perfectly reasonable. Although, how is the game going to survive until people start putting out positive words of the game after P2W is gone and this helps the game go mainstream(still not competitive title yet like CoD or BF). People are still going to stop playing the game after they realize there is not a lot to play for in the game. P2W is only the tip of the iceberg. And it’s probably what’s keeping this game alive. If the choice is between death of the game and P2W, the latter choice is much more reasonable as it can be reversed at any point.

why you ignore that supporters paid for a uncertainty 4 years before and company give them guns to keep there promise and payback for spporters royalty
your point is quite right point, but too late and no respect for others

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That has nothing to do with them giving guns that are strictly better.
Have the kar98k trench be significantly heavier due to the larger magazine, and/or have it fire slower, or WHATEVER. Just don’t make them strictly better.

I am totally okay with K98 trench but Mosin infantry is just better than other guns in every way.
It should be a collectible item, not an OP item

balancing is developer’s thing
and your point is wrong, why you said like that
supporters have right to get what they bought, why supporters give up there right because of balancing?

But they have no right to have the things what they bought to be OP.

The thing they got is entirely unrelated to the stats of said things.

NOWHERE did the pack the backers bought state that the guns would be OP.
it merely stated:
larger magazine > can be 6 which is larger than 5, can have longer reload per bullet, or whatever. Does not have to be this large
more damage > can be 15.1 which is larger than 15, doesnt have to be 18 and can have downsides.

we didn’t know that guns will OP
we just bought a campaign ticket including that gun, and company give us what we bought
whatever that guns are op or suck, we have right to get that guns, if you complain about gun’s spec, suggest to developers ,not me
and I think you don’t know what catalog said, 25rnd was already wrote in catalog, you should find information first you wright