Japanese handheld anti-everything 20mm auto cannon needs to be nerf

I believe the power of this thing goes without saying. one shot airplane, pen every allies tanks, Japanese first “semi-automatic rifle” at LV.5. At the same time, the Allies obtained the worst ATR in the game! “the weapon proved completely ineffective. It also failed to stop Japanese tanks in Malaya.”(from wikipedia).This weapon also makes the Japanese Type 4/5 rocket launcher completely unnecessary.

First of all, this weapon is not an anti-tank rifle. The Japanese name " (九七式自動炮)" is translated as “Type 97 automatic cannon” and It is a team weapon. A 9-man anti-tank squad is equipped with a Type 97 automatic cannon and is carried by 4 people. for comparison: an early British anti-tank group of 11 men equipped with 3 boysATR.

This is not the only outrageous thing. This handheld weapon weighs 52kg! Also for comparison, the PTRS weighs 20.3kg, the M2 HMG weighs 38kg, and the T60 main gun TNSh weighs 40kg!

Nerf can also be implemented in several directions, such as allowing the anti-tank team to only carry one Type 97, and allowing the anti-tank soldiers in other squads to only carry high-BR rocket launchers. Or make it so it can only be fired while prone, making it impossible to turn it into an anti-aircraft weapon.

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I wonder if AT rifles being the best weapon against planes is intentional or an oversight.

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You do realize that Japanese are very underpowered in that campaign most of the allied weapons are superior to the Japanese Unless you can say bolt action are relevant at end game and make a difference.

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:thinking:
Until they added the M2, I thought the Japanese weapons (SMGs, MGs) were superior to the Allies.
As for rifles, Garand and Otsu (the fastest semi in the game) each have their own merits.
I think the devs have treated them well.

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Im lvl 21 in japan from my experience the biggest issue Isn’t the 20mm its the m13 and m2 Stuart spam as they mostly camp the grey zones theres nothing to counter them other then the 20mm so nerfing the 20mm in turn will make japan even worse to play as it Can’t counter the non stop m13 spam.

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Well. Why should a M13 drive out anyway?

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Leave it as it is. Makes Japan a lot more entertaining to play.

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A few points, first no weapon should be limited

Second this game is asymmetrically balanced

Third I actually only use ATR while bipoded as intended, I like to play immersively. I do think they should make ADSing a ATR be unviable. I actually put in effort to bipod for attacks when you have people running around hip firing them

Fourth, “Y U kill me!?! U no kill me! I kill U! gAmE bRoKeN!”

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The shame of defeat weighs heavier on our soldiers than any 52kg autocannon would!-Tojo I think
chad
Suffer not the M13 to live!-Yamamoto probably
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Indeed. Instead we need ridiculous nerfs and questionable physics because it surely worked in the past years.

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Why do you want to make them unplayable?

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Try to use the PZB38, and you will know what is the worst ATR in game.

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Strongly disagree: so many weapons could be better if they had a way to limit the number that could be deployed in any single game.

I would propose some kind of point system that gives weapons and gear point values based on various factors. Each soldier/squad/lineup would have their own point pool that could be spent equipping weapons and gear, allowing freedom to use any weapon, but at a cost that limits overall quantity and forces careful decisions to be made.

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It def need nerf but they could nerf it indirectly for example only be able to use it while proning/standing and deploying bipod. Now you can just strafe and spam it all day long, i wonder what they are feeding them if they can do those maneuvers with that super heavy gun. It’s the best sniper rifle for JP, it’s the best AA gun for JP, it’s the most versatile AT weapon in a game that can pen anything with no care for the drop off at insane range. It has no weaknesses except a bit less pen at 50m+.

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You just know that game balance is just shit when every single JP player can take that op rifle and destroy your tank as soon as you become visible and leave your spawn. No matter which tank you pick low level, mid lvl or high lvl you will get obliterated by type 97 at rifle because it can pen everything that Americans have at Pacific atm. JP doesn’t even need to use rocket launchers because t97 will kill crew and ignite fuel tanks but at safe distance.

Only low level jp is weak. High lvl japan is superior to the Allies in every single way except planes and lmg (not really).

playing against M13 MGMC be like

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Against a dedicated team of allied players in the Pacific when the new BR goes into effect the allies still have the upper hand it’s just the Japanese are too dumb to realize they’re dead.

They probably should have just added it as an AT Squad buildable stationary weapon, like how MG and Engi squads can build MG nests.

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