I support
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This post is very well done but like Valkay here I dont like German equipment in TT and I want them to be minimal or premium or event frankly there are tons of alternative for them Im gonna share a few and add a few nice stuff to your awesome TT my man
For tier 1 you could have added Italian Vetterli rifles but as it stands tier 1 is perfect maybe as premium you could have added MBT 1925 and also for AT rifles you could have added Fucile Anticarro Scotti & Breda Mk.II 12.7 mm anti-tank rifle could be good replacement for polish and German anti tank
(MBT 1925)(Bolt action)
(Fucile Anticarro Scotti( tear-gas filled 8x99mm))
(Breda Mk.II 12.7 mm anti-tank rifle)
For tier 2
1- M1918/30 was GO weapon so i dont think they gonna add it to TT and if they did add it to TT with large mag it would be BR 3 and not BR 2 like VG 1-5 any how you could have added Beretta mod. 1939 with scope which is unique and its a variant of M1918/30
2- I dont like the chauchat maybe Italians used it but italians also had made tons of MGs maybe move this to premium and change it to Fiat model 1928
3- Other than those tier 2 is perfect I love it can also add quite few stuff here ,too a few of them that I would like to see are Maefassi gas-operated conversion of the Mannlicher M.95 & scotti model x Brescia
(scotti model x Brescia)
(Maefassi gas-operated conversion of the Mannlicher M.95)(Semi-automatic)
for tier 3 im gonna add more stuff since its mostly empty
1- lets add a few Semi-auto and change Scotti Model X and Beretta M31 since both are in game one was premium the other is GO
First I would change Scotti model X with scotti model x Brescia its virtually the same gun but with small differences and for beretta M31 i would change it to Bereta M37
(Beretta M37)
Now thats out of the way lets add 2 more semi auto to round things here up that 2 semi auto being Genovesi-Revelli self-loading rifle of 1908( Revelli-Terni) & Vetterli Semi-automatic rifle conversion
( Vetterli Semi-automatic rifle conversion)
(Genovesi-Revelli self-loading rifle of 1908( Revelli-Terni))
2- for SMGs listen man we need more SMGs a few of them imma list here like:
Beretta Automatic Carabine, Pavesi-Revelli submachine gun, Automatic variant of model 18/30 &Extra-Light SubMachineGun Beretta
(Pavesi-Revelli submachine gun)
(Beretta Automatic Carabine)
(Automatic variant of model 18/30)
(extra-Light Submachinegun Beretta)
3- LMGās here are also lack luster I would change ZB-26 with connected mags and give an italian MG also gonna do the same with MG 34
for ZB26 im gonna go with SIA Mod. 1938
(SIA Mod. 1938)
And for MG-34 imma go with FIAT 14 EXPERIMENTAL
(FIAT 14 EXPERIMENTAL)
and lets add 2 MGs while we are at it one being Isotta Fraschini LMG the other being Breda M38
(Isotta Fraschini LMG)
(Breda M38)
4- lastly maybe adding 60mm Lanciabombe here in tier 3/BR 3 would be best instead of Panzerfaust 60
all in all this was the most lack luster tier anyhow nice job on it though lets move on
Tier 4
1- Since we added Beretta M37 to last tier we cant have it here so what would I add instead of it well I would add ZK-391 which was trialed by Italians
(ZK-391)
and Pevesi SVT copy is gonna be a GO for next season so we cant have it on TT maybe bring back M37 to this tier and add Terni M91 Carcano Semiauto to tier 3
2- As for SMGs all good maybe I would have added 2 more but ehh all good everything else is good here
as for tier 5
Everything is great here ,too beside Breda PGs im sure DF wont add them to techtree and having 2 SF rifles is enough for a nation anyway maybe add more SMGs here are few:
1-Variara submachine gun
2- MAB 38A P.A.I
3- The Genar PM-470
4- MAB 38 (1)
5- Armaguerra Mod. 35
(Images are in order)
But all in all was an awesome read
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We donāt need more main faction but sub faction, just add sub tech tree under German one for other axis faction and let players decide what axis nation want grind keeping all of them in the same queue as United axis, same for allies
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100%ā¦want all that stuff in the tech tree you made though 
idkā¦
yes to new toys,
but no to separation of the italians from germany.
like, it all could be easily folded as subfolders if someone does not want the german / italian stuff
or even just add a second TT as a sub folder within the same nation. so you can further divide yet regroup specific unlocks without having to clutter your favorite GER / IT tech tree.
i like having a mixed army made of italian and german units and/or squads.
same with the US & UK.
i donāt see why i would have to regrind the whole thing just to get what iām missing in a new faction.
they can simply both coexist. ( which itās ironic since both the UK & Italy still needs equipment from their respective allied nation to compete at latter stages. and we have been over situations like having to regrind mp40s for X times. )
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They could be separated in match maker but together in the tech tree. It would allow more minor facrions and more āobscureā maps.
But I guess we would need much more players for that.
(Also I have no clue if itās possible from the coding perspective.)
thatās sort of the other issue.
if you separate them, we would need players to fill it.
which it would just end up like war thunder isreal or japan faction. the least played factions.
despite having 10x more our playerbase.
granted, both are different games.
but the same principles applies.
hence, itās much better if italians are still part of the german faction.
because players can have the option to play and grind what they want, while still having germanyās support in terms of equipment and numbers.
there are literally 0 downsides.
itās not like italy ever operated alone irl too.
i could sort of see an argument when it comes to " muh immersion ". but then again, itās just personal preferences and nitpicks.
if anything, put a soft rules that if players have italian squads or uk ones, they are more likely to go over tunisia / any italian front related. which now, arenāt many and itās the other reason why we donāt have much about the italians beside tunisia.
granted, they could, and should use the base uniform over moscow & stalingrad.
butā¦ again, no real benefit of creating a new faction with not many players going for it.
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We canāt have some maps. For example dunkirk 1940.
If minors were separated on mm and we allowed multiple sides in a match, there could be for example FR+UK vs Ger matchup. A bit like puzzles.
Though I guess itās vastly overengineered.
well, we can.
itās not like this game is keen on being HA anyway.
is it really worthed?
iād be just better allowing players to run those squads IF they want.
instead of sewer further more and split players numbers onto small nations that struggles on their own.
ex, france, or italy.
which, yes you can give tigers and pz IVs or stugs like OP did. however, youād be better off just adding them as a side sub nation of germany.
so you reasearch your stuff there, and get what you want.
i think so too
and i forgot to mention, but italian stuff are also premium material.
iām not sure devs will be ready to " give up " on that front either
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We can, British in Pacific already showed historical accurate armies in a map is secondary is sufficient they was inside the main faction
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Hello, italy is not planned as separate faction.
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we know,but people still wish it,they dont want french (only a few),also they want brits,canada,aussies,kiwies,etc. we know we cant handle,but people will keep asking,so at least if we canāt separate faction,allow people have guns and soldiers from those nations with voice lines, like in German TC, add a sub branch with Italy stuff for the people who wish it
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Well for myself I am fine with Commonwealth nations as sub factions I just think it makes the most sense separating US and UK to allow room for more tech for both.
The current US-UK tree is heavily biased towards USA. Itās also annoying certain squads are locked to certain nations like APC for example.
Iāve suggested an Australian Universal Carrier since Aussie ones were different to the standard UCs so would be separate to the event UC.
This forum thread shows how much potential there is for an Italian tech tree alone, not even counting minor Axis nations.
I just donāt get what the damn problem is with having USSR, US, UK + Commonwealth, Germany, Italy + Other Axis countries and Japan?
There is multiple problem like playerbase split and how deal with the separated tech tree stuff.
Many of the stuff UK and Italy stuff are Gold order or premium or event, how would they implement them without pissing player off?
Another problem is the efficiency of dev is bad. They will need a lot of time to complete those tech tree so they might think it is not worth it. Moreover, more faction means they need to add more stuff every battle pass season and every major update.
Amazing Job 
Finally Positive Topic with a lot of work in to it I would love to see Italy and Uk as separated faction sadly this wont happen I love this topics and faction tinkering !
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so sad but true
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I dissagree. The overall post is great but that TT is a joke. Itās supposed to be an independant tree but half of it is fucking German. WTF!
Further more I dont think Italy needs the Afrika Corps to supplement it. If anything Italy could host other unrepresented Axis nations like Hungary and Romania
Some of my suggestions to polish up this tech tree:
Fixes
Rifles
- Why is there a shotgun branching down from the Moschetto M91?
- Why isnt the the Mod.1928 Tromboccino here? Is the Type 99/M1 Garand with GL a heavy weapon cause it has HEAT grenades? No
3.The Scotti naval rifle is an assaulter weapon even tho its a full power cartrige weapon. It should be the last weapon on the Rifle branch.
Machineguns
1.Chauchat, dont need it
2. Perino Mod.1908, WTF Eww, NO thanks
3. MG42 not needed
Heavy weapons
The PzB39 can be replaced by the Scotti AT rifle. Same concept of a super charged 8mm round but this time its an Italian design.
Tanks
We do not need to saturate the tank line with borrowed tanks, Japan isnt saturated and they still do fine.
- Pz.II, Not needed
- Sd.Kfz.222, Not needed
- Panzer Jaeger, Not needed
- Pz.III J, Not needed
- Pz.IV E, Could be replaced by the P.26/40 Prototype that had a 75mm howitzer
- StuG III F, for fuck sake Italy was famous for its StuG clones, NOT NEEDED
- Pz.IV F2 and G. Not needed. Add the latter one as a premium though
- Tigers at the end is a spit in the face, it should be the P.43 and P.43bis
(yes there were only wooden mock-ups builtā¦JUST LIKE Ho-Ri)
Aircraft
Oh boy talk about a waste of potential here, perhaps Italyās most under-explored brach of its Tech Tree both here and in War Thunder. The amount of WW2 desings that are straigh-up ignored is crazy.
Basically you can delete everything German, its trash compared to what Italy can offer.
- Bf 109 F-4 Trop, replace with regular C.202
- Ju-87 R-2, replace with Breda 201
- Bf 110 D3, Replace with SM.89
- Ju88 D-1, Replace with SM.93
- SM.79 Just remove. This trend of suggesting Medium bombers as attack aircraft is dumb and it wouldnt work
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Your words is true, if main nation would be Italy.
And Germany become sub one.
Otherwise itās strange, thatās colony become main.