IS1 upgrade from KV1 LOL

The IS1 was supposed to be an upgrade to the KV1 according to the description, but it is easily one shotted on Berlin, not only by Panthers, Tigers but PzIV too!

Now I realise that in Stalin’s era, some great Soviet plane and tank designers were shot, which I feel was terrible, but I might just make an exception to the IS1, Tank destroyer Su-85 far better.

I’m a completionist and want to level IS1 but boy not easy unless farming bots, can OSK some tanks, but as a rule heavy armour, not so great gun, but in this case ‘pretend’ heavy armour and not so great gun??? We’re these as bad as they are in game in reality? Is it the turret weakpoints which is the problem? (You can’t do much about that, except peek!)

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the is1 is just an uparmored t34-85, but has the same weak spot a worse gun and its slower than a t34-85.

imo its a direct downgarde to the t34-85

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Literally the same gun.

Yeah, no clue why it was added. Should’ve been IS-2 instead. Or maybe an ISU-152/122.


is1

t34-85

yeah sure

The 2 gun are identical, the only difference your picture have is capacity and turret rotation speed which depends on vehicle itself.

for gun i intented all, including the turret.

point dont change anyway, the is1 is worse under basically all aspect compared to the t34-85.

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The only difference is the turret rotation. And just so you know, the turret isn’t part of the gun, the actual gun is the same.
IS1:


T34-85:

They use exactly the same shell, have the same reload, same pen, same pen angles, same range scaling.

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Thanks, so even if I upgrade it, it is just worse than T34-85?

Honestly, I wouldn’t even say it’s that much worse, but basically the same.
Just save your orders for when the Is-2 comes.
Also, why the “Upgrade form Kv-1?” It would be an upgrade from that, if it was even in Berlin.

Just what the description says xx

its “still an upgrade from kv1” tbh…

basicly the same tank gun wise as a t34 siz-s-53.
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since 88mm tiger is a thing, both will die 1 shot as a pz4 against t34’s. dont waste too much of your brain around it.

Because they wanted to put tiger E in first. Because when it’s done, you can put it in Normandy and then in Tunisia. One tank, 3 campaigns. Work efficient. And the game mostly tries to do a mirror balance. Of course, this often fails, but intent is important. And tiger E is somewhere similar to IS-1. By no means with the IS-2. With the spg without the turret, that you mentioned is also not.
Anyway, I doubt the Soviet side would do well with IS-2. 28 ammunition, but only half of it HE. Slow turet rotation, slow reload. The panther and tiger penetrate the tower or the driver’s hatch. If the tank is at a slight angle, the thin side armor can be penetrate. Tiger 2 penetrate it everywhere. If you come across a tank and you’re loaded with HE, chances are you’re thinking about the next squad. Not to mention how painful it is to drive a tank in Berlin, due to the many debris, wreckage, and panzerfaust present on both sides. The German bot army can also be farmed with T-34 or IS-1.

Tiger E is very on par with IS-2
Imo it should’ve been:
Is-2 x Tiger E
ISU- 122/Su-100 x Jagdpanther
IS-2 (1944) x Tiger 2.

Still more unique and worthwhile than IS-1.

Completely fine. It’d be insanely strong (122mm) and the slow reload would give oyu plenty to shoot.
It could also destroy panthers and angled tigers through the front plate with a single hit.

Usually the case with all tanks.

That goes for both sides.

Or you can do it with an IS-2.
It would be more historically accurate, and more fun.

Oh, and also:

Doesn’t matter, cause it’s all warthunder assets anyway.

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Which is correct, as it is better than Kv-1.

Take war thunder as a basis. IS-1 BR: 5.3, Tiger H1 BR: 5.3 Tiger E Br: 5.7, IS-2 BR: 5.7 ( 6.0 is arcade ). At first glance, what you say is legitimate, but. Why is E higher than H1? Because he has APCR ammunition. But not here. The other differences are trivial. That is, overall, it can be shown that the APCR-free tiger is roughly the level of IS-1. I wouldn’t force jagdpanther or Su-100 in berlin. These are tank destroyers. Even the su-85 and jagdpanzer 4 are completely redundant. Isu-122, or even 152, makes more sense. But not against jagdpanther, but say against brumbar. Slow reload, no turret, but brutal HE ammunition. This has the benefit of an overall closed map. I think the jagdpanther is reserved for Normady anyway.

Not necessarily, many times a shot is still survivable. But while the IS-2 fires the HE and loads an AP, a Tiger 2 fires that is loaded and loads 2 more times. And tiger E is more. You are unlikely to survive all 3 or 4. Of course this is theoretical.

All three are completely true.

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Is2 WILL be added, same time as the king cat :slight_smile:

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PZIV can one shot T34-85 as well, it’s just that a T34 can aim absolutely anywhere and one shot a PZIV, so it’s fair imo

Yep. The wreckage is already inside :smiley:
Exactly as I saw it in two versions. Normal 1944 and 1944 fitted with grille. But I didn’t see any tiger 2 wreckage, for example.

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There’s images of the King Tiger in images of the unit descriptions for certin units such as mortar squad

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