Is T-3485 too OP as a starter tank?

I think a very big reason why many hate playing Berlin Axis is T-3485, it’s simply ridiculously OP as a starter tank, it can not only simply OHK any german tank in the game except Jagdpanzer IV, but also has a unrealisitcally broken damage model, espicially its face, can not only eat 75mm kwk42 but sometime even 88mm kwk43.

What’s even more disgusting is that, because it’s a starter vehicle with a decent anti-infantry capability, all Soviet players are simply spamming T-3485 7x24 without stop, make any normal gun play or infantry play impossible. Espicially those map with large open space like wilhelmstraße, hermann göring straße and königsplatz. I’ve played all five campaigns with totally 3000+ matches, but have never seen a single campagin with a starter tank that make me so disguested. That’s why I stop playing Berlin Axis every time when I’ve maxed out.

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It is quite good but it was also good irl, plus what else can you give the Soviets as starter tank? It was exactly T-34/85s that reached Berlin.
If anything, I think the Germans could do with a less crappy version of Pz IV (at least with electric drive for turret traverse), however to be honest unlocking the Panther doesn’t take that long either, and it decimates all T-34/85s in 1v1s.

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Starter T34 obliterates the panzer 4s quite easily. Its unfair for the beginner axis, because they can’t do anything with their Pz4j other than killing infantry’s

I would agree normally but the panzerfaust makes it so that any T-34 is a free kill.

I agree that as a starting vehicle it might be too good a tank. However, the Axis is further researched for much superior tanks, similar to those of the Allies. For example, the USSR then has the T-34-85, which is not much different from the one that was initial.
However, further useless Su-85, IS-1 are being researched from the Allies. At the same time, the Axis has all sorts of Tiger 1, Panther.
You also need to evaluate other types of troops. Initial air power is much better for the Axis than for the Allies in their assault capabilities.

yeah it’s OP as a starter tank, but panther and the tigers compensate.

and also counting that the t34-85 is the only real tank worth using as soviet I think is pretty balanced

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its the best tank in the game, it always one hit kills, and has the best turret armor with just a tiny hitbox, and while the chassis armor is only 45 mm thick, in this game it is basically much thicker and has godmode armor spots, like the drivers hatch and the MG port.

In reality the t34 85 was on par with the late war panzer IV, yet it easily beats Panther tanks,
even Tiger II p is a joke, because its much easier hitting its turret causing a one hit kill, while the T34 turret is so incredibly bugged and bad as a hitbox, that its not worth using tanks in berlin what so ever.

chassis armor doesnt matter in berlin, because of all the rubble laying around, only turret armor is important, and the t34 is without a doubt the best tank in the game.

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skill issue

I had yesterday 3 rounds Killing 7-9 T34/85 with one Panter tank. Yes, when my panther got kill it is always instantly by ammo detonation (what is curious) and I also had one T34/85 who was really bugged. But mostly with the Panther you can good kill a lot of T34/85 and also IS1s. So I can really not confirm your point of view.

I don’t think there’s a problem tank wise in Berlin :thinking: sure, t34-85 is better than the pz4, but at least Germany unlocks the Panther quite soon, so it’s not too bad.

And we’re truly far from ridiculous (absence of) balance such as in Moscow with t34 vs pz3 :laughing:. Even Stalingrad is slightly more difficult once Germany faces KV, yet I still find it ok.

Nah, surprisingly I’d say Berlin is one of the most balanced campaign, tank wise.

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the turret hitbox of a panther is 3 times a big, you can kill a panther with your T34 85 without him even seeing you, this is not a skill issue, this is an obvious balance problem, because if you know what you are doing, you will beat your opponent 10 out of 10 times.

I agree that t34 is better than panzer IV and made panzer useless for axis players but Axis has much much better tanks than soviets,
panther can one shot t34 in front armor as I killed 8 t34 with a single panther and I’m sure you have no problem killing t34 with tiger and KT
IK T34 can one shot tiger panther or even kt but it’s balanced rn.
We need a good match making for Berlin rn

shoot the hull, bombard him, flank it, do something that isnt picking like reatard in a disadvantage position?

yeah i agree king tiger isnt enough we need a maus
clown-nose

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I compare the T34 with the Tiger tank:
-both get one hit killed if penetrated
-both frontal chassis armor is pointless unless angled
-both can penetrate each other always,

however, T34 turret hitbox is terrible, you can only kill it by shooting like 10% of its frontal surface area, while the big flat gun mantles of panther and tiger are much much easier to hit, this is incredibly unfair considering that all the rubble in berlin covers like 90% of your silhouette.
T34 turret armor is way too strong.

and this right here disqualifies you for any discussion, go on and squabble your nonsense.

There shouldnt be a disadvantage having these positions, because guess what the T34 wasnt a bloody god tank ffs.

are you stupid or what?, an advantage position is a defend position in which you have a first clear shot.

aim better never had this type of problems

sry if your tank isnt a god tank that can roll on the battlefield and take hit left and right without takin damage, sounds like you better play as airsupport.

as I said, you clearly have no Idea what you are talking about, my statements are facts and you saying “aim better” while the enemy doesnt have to “aim better” is is a balance issue, you ignoring that shows me that you have nothing to add to this discussion.

<telling that 90% my shoot bounces of a t34

no its not like that you’re doing smt wrong

< noOoOoO it has to be like that t34 OP plz nerf

bro just take a second to figure out what you’re doing wrong and why all you shoots bounces off an easily penetrable and average tank

<REEEEEEEE t34 OP PLZ NERF GIB MAUS

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This thread could use a dose of WastedWoodsman right now…

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90% of the area where you can hit the frontal turret armor of the T34 WILL make your shots bounce even tho the panther was capable of getting through the t34 turret like butter.

Combined with the way the game has buggy hitboxes to begin with makes this a shoot and pray to RNGesus.
and if you manage to pen with your panther, you’ll gotta hit 2-4 times, while the t34 is basically always a one hit kill.

This is a balance issue and the problem is a not functioning T34 85 turret hitbox.