Instead of nerfing select fire rifles/ assault rifles (FG42 and equivalents)

[XGeneralBlackyX]

Well, there is still the Gewehr 43. Which is semi auto.

[XGeneralBlackyX]

I thought it was about historical accuracy or not?

[VoyoMayPL]

@TUSUPOLISI69

Yeah and for historical accuracy we have games that are already somewhat historically correct.

This game is ment to be one.

@TUSUPOLISI69

By far more balanced than troopers going against assaulter / gunners with bolt-actions.

It’s like complaining that sniper is bad at CQC so we have to give him SMG. If you take wrong tools to wrong job it’s your fault, don’t expect the game to compensate for your mistakes.

@TUSUPOLISI69

Not a single M2 on normandy, yet its there.

Devs said something like: “it was present in europe in that year so it’s enough for us to justify its presence.”
I don’t agree with that so don’t argue with me, argue with devs.

@TUSUPOLISI69

Plenty of Fg42’s on normandy.

For everybody? Yeah sure.

[VoyoMayPL]

I mixed it with M1 garand, sry. I don’t know a lot about US weapons so I’ll have to leave your argument for someone more competent in that matter.

Actually limiting M1 and Gewer may be interesting. I was wondering how to limit G43 and you gave me a nice idea.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@VoyoMayPL

This game is ment to be one.

I dont think the devs has ever described the which amount of “historical accuracy” theyr going to implement. And as this game currently is and has been by far more arcade game than anykind of HC historical accurated simulator. Id say no. Its not.

@VoyoMayPL

It’s like complaining that sniper is bad at CQC so we have to give him SMG. If you take wrong tools to wrong job it’s your fault, don’t expect the game to compensate for your mistakes.

Due to asymmetrical balance the germans have the superior LMGs and thats the “strenght” of german faction. So yea, so far this seems more like nerf Germany topic rather than actually being intrested of historical accuracy and even less of balance.

@VoyoMayPL

Devs said something like: “it was present in europe in that year so it’s enough for us to justify its presence.”
I don’t agree with that so don’t argue with me, argue with devs.

So theyr intention definitely aint to make a fully historical accurate game.

@VoyoMayPL

For everybody? Yeah sure.

Yeah, its arcade game not historically accurated mil-sim.

[VoyoMayPL]

@TUSUPOLISI69

And as this game currently is and has been by far more arcade game than anykind of HC historical accurated simulator. Id say no. Its not.

You haven’t seen BFV apparently.

@TUSUPOLISI69

Due to asymmetrical balance the germans have the superior LMGs and thats the “strenght” of german faction. So yea, so far this seems more like nerf Germany topic rather than actually being intrested of historical accuracy and even less of balance.

I don’t see how it answers my argument.
“It’s your fault that you took wrong weapon for this situation”
“this topic is to nerf germany”
?

@TUSUPOLISI69

So theyr intention definitely aint to make a fully historical accurate game.

Fully not, but to some degree.

@TUSUPOLISI69

Yeah, its arcade game not historically accurated mil-sim.

Again, this game was ment to be historical. And because of that it should be as close to being historical as possible.

Your potition is still like:

@VoyoMayPL

“I cut my finger so I’ll cut off my whole hand, it’s damaged anyway”.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@VoyoMayPL

I don’t see how it answers my argument.
“It’s your fault that you took wrong weapon for this situation”
“this topic is to nerf germany”
?

I dont see you asking to nerf other weapons due to historical accuracy, just german ones.
Exception being the m2.

@VoyoMayPL

Again, this game was ment to be historical. And because of that it should be as close to being historical as possible.

@VoyoMayPL

Fully not, but to some degree.

Its quite clear that its going to stay quite god damn far from the historical accuracy.
If it was the Idea, it would have been from the start more historically accurated.
That how ever doesnt intrest players.

[XGeneralBlackyX]

It is in no way historicly accurate. It is a game in a historical setting.

[VoyoMayPL]

@TUSUPOLISI69

I dont see you asking to nerf other weapons due to historical accuracy, just german ones.
Exception being the m2.

I want to limit 3 weapons from all 3 factions. So yeah, just german ones.

@TUSUPOLISI69

Its quite clear that its going to stay quite god damn far from the historical accuracy.
If it was the Idea, it would have been from the start more historically accurated.

@48498672

It is in no way historicly accurate. It is a game in a historical setting.

@VoyoMayPL

“I cut my finger so I’ll cut off my whole hand, it’s damaged anyway”.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@VoyoMayPL

“I cut my finger so I’ll cut off my whole hand, it’s damaged anyway”.

Fits actually better on your pov.

[VoyoMayPL]

@TUSUPOLISI69

Fits actually better on your pov.

Why?
It’s you that want to throw away the whole historical accuracy idea instead of fixing it.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@VoyoMayPL

Why?
It’s you that want to throw away the whole historical accuracy idea instead of fixing it.

Balance > Historical accuracy.

[VoyoMayPL]

I have deja vu.

@TUSUPOLISI69

@TUSUPOLISI69

Balance > historical accuracy.

So now explain me how equipping everybody with full auto weapons is balance. It changes gameplay but I don’t see how and what it balances.

@VoyoMayPL

@VoyoMayPL

So now explain me how equipping everybody with full auto weapons is balance. It changes gameplay but I don’t see how and what it balances.

By far more balanced than troopers going against assaulter / gunners with bolt-actions.

@TUSUPOLISI69

@TUSUPOLISI69

By far more balanced than troopers going against assaulter / gunners with bolt-actions.

It’s like complaining that sniper is bad at CQC so we have to give him SMG. If you take wrong tools to wrong job it’s your fault, don’t expect the game to compensate for your mistakes.

And then this comment that has no snese:

@VoyoMayPL

@VoyoMayPL

It’s like complaining that sniper is bad at CQC so we have to give him SMG. If you take wrong tools to wrong job it’s your fault, don’t expect the game to compensate for your mistakes.

Due to asymmetrical balance the germans have the superior LMGs and thats the “strenght” of german faction. So yea, so far this seems more like nerf Germany topic rather than actually being intrested of historical accuracy and even less of balance.

@TUSUPOLISI69

@TUSUPOLISI69

Due to asymmetrical balance the germans have the superior LMGs and thats the “strenght” of german faction. So yea, so far this seems more like nerf Germany topic rather than actually being intrested of historical accuracy and even less of balance.

I don’t see how it answers my argument.
“It’s your fault that you took wrong weapon for this situation”
“this topic is to nerf germany”
?

@VoyoMayPL

@VoyoMayPL

I don’t see how it answers my argument.

“It’s your fault that you took wrong weapon for this situation”
“this topic is to nerf germany”
?

I dont see you asking to nerf other weapons due to historical accuracy, just german ones.
Exception being the m2.

@TUSUPOLISI69

@TUSUPOLISI69

I dont see you asking to nerf other weapons due to historical accuracy, just german ones.

Exception being the m2.

I want to limit 3 weapons from all 3 factions. So yeah, just german ones.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

Scroll up and you find your own post about the LMG suggestion thread. So your “beef” isnt exactly only with the 3 guns mentioned in this thread, rather with all LMG’s.
And the faction this affect the most is Germany.
I havent seen you post a single alternative for asked nerfs so yeah.
Balance > Historical accuracy

[VoyoMayPL]

@TUSUPOLISI69

And the faction this affect the most is Germany.

@gastanofrizzi

even if you nerf the mg they start use another wapons

?

@TUSUPOLISI69

I havent seen you post a single alternative for asked nerfs so yeah.

Give germany other good weapons that aren’t MGs, solved.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@VoyoMayPL

Give germany other good weapons that aren’t MGs, solved.

And what would they be ? ROF is currently the most important factor on automatic guns.
Stg44 ? So you would be fine with Stg44 that has 1200 rof ? Or are we nerfing the other guns that have high rof ?

Ur “solution” doesnt seem to fix anything. But while we’re at it, if the automatics bothers you Just imagine them being bolt-action rifles. Solved.

[VoyoMayPL]

@TUSUPOLISI69

ROF is currently the most important factor on automatic guns.

No, ttk is the most important. And Stg has quite good ttk especially mig range when compared to SMGs.

@TUSUPOLISI69

So you would be fine with Stg44 that has 1200 rof

But you know that current MG42 doesn’t have even 1000 rpm?

@TUSUPOLISI69

Or are we nerfing the other guns that have high rof ?

I just want to make MG play like MGs, not like assault rifles.

@TUSUPOLISI69

if the automatics bothers you

What bothers me is:

• ertire weapon class that doesn’t make sence in it’s current state
• 3 weapons that make soldier class system useless and completelly ignore historical facts

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@VoyoMayPL

No, ttk is the most important. And Stg has quite good ttk especially mig range when compared to SMGs.

No wonder your so against the LMG’s if your thinking the Bolt-action is good weapon due to best TTK in OHK setting.

@VoyoMayPL

But you know that current MG42 doesn’t have even 1000 rpm?

Fine, stg44 with 1000 rof I can live with that.

@VoyoMayPL

I just want to make MG play like MGs, not like assault rifles.

Balance

@VoyoMayPL

What bothers me is:

• ertire weapon class that doesn’t make sence in it’s current state
• 3 weapons that make soldier class system useless and completelly ignore historical facts

FG due to ammo limitation definitely wont replace the assaulters SMG in current setting.
FG in LMG for obvious reasons is rather poor choice in current settings.
What it does is give option for regular troopers to fight in CQC rather than braid pubic hairs at the edge of map with bolt-action.
Sounds balanced for me.

[VoyoMayPL]

@TUSUPOLISI69

No wonder your so against the LMG’s if your thinking the Bolt-action is good weapon due to best TTK in OHK setting.

I play mainly with LMG kiddo. And I can tell from experience that they are too good.

@TUSUPOLISI69

Balance

Rether idiotysm. MG are ment to be used as MGs and assault rifles are ment to be used as assault rifles. So why should we have MG used like assault rifles?

@TUSUPOLISI69

FG due to ammo limitation definitely wont replace the assaulters SMG in current setting.

I sugested making it gunner weapon.

@TUSUPOLISI69

FG in LMG for obvious reasons is rather poor choice in current settings.

After making MGs MGs it will be good choise.

@TUSUPOLISI69

What it does is give option for regular troopers to fight in CQC rather than braid pubic hairs at the edge of map with bolt-action.

For CQC there is a thing called assaulter class.
If you take other class to fight in CQC and expect to stand a chance against assaulter, you are an idiot or a pro.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@VoyoMayPL

I play mainly with LMG kiddo. And I can tell from experience that they are too good.

Good for you cupcake !

@VoyoMayPL

Rether idiotysm. MG are ment to be used as MGs and assault rifles are ment to be used as assault rifles. So why should we have MG used like assault rifles?

So
SMG limit range to 30m (due to small maps) cant shoot beyond that
LMG cant move while shooting.
Bolt-actions doesnt deal damage under 50m

Damn ur game sounds extremely fun !

@VoyoMayPL

For CQC there is a thing called assaulter class.
If you take other class to fight in CQC and expect to stand a chance against assaulter, you are an idiot or a pro.

And the trooper with FG aint better than the assaulter, he just haves fighting chance.
As you probably knew theres the cooldown on certain squads. If not, now you know.