Instead of Japanese paper tanks

The Americans have the M8 Scott which is called a self propelled artillery unit, so why give Japan fake tanks when Japan had artillery units of its own

For example:

Type 4 ho-ro
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It had a 150mm gun that could fire heat and aphe if necessary

Ho-ni ii
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It had a 105mm howitzer and a total of 54 units were produced

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steel beats paper always, good luck

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Weird question, the point of adding ho ri is not because of they want to adding artillery unit for Japan. It is to add tank that worth br5 for Japan.
Apparently the 2 tanks you suggested are not worth br5.

Just like with many things, these vehicles will be added. Just a matter of when……

Imperial Japanese Army Experimental Hi-Ro Sha self-propelled gun (1945 ...
Type 95 Hiro-Sha
The Prototype Hi-Ro/Hi-Ro Sha. While there are a few photos of this vehicle, none seem to remain of the Ji-Ro. Photo: – Radikal.ru
Type 95 Jiro-Sha
TYPE95 JI-RA

Prototype 105mm tank gun

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**[World War II Japanese Artillery

A caliber 105mm tank gun developed by the Japanese Army on July 30, 1943 .

2. specifications

Barrel length: 5.759 m (55 caliber)
Weight: about 4.7 tons
Caliber: 105mm
Rotation angle: 360°
Muzzle velocity: 900 m/s
Ammunition: Armor-piercing rounds

3. developer

The Japanese military decided to make a tank gun with a caliber increased to 105mm, probably thinking that 75mm was not enough to stop the heavy tanks of the US army. brought a type 96 150mm howitzer, a double-seat lasik 15cm howitzer, and a loading aid from the navy’s 3-year-old 12cm anti-aircraft gun. Until the end of the war, one each for outdoor testing and one for mounting on a tank was completed.

The prototype anti-tank gun that began development in this way has a caliber of 105 mm, a 55 caliber,[1] It weighed 4.7 tons and was a huge gun that the Japanese military had never mounted on a vehicle at the time. As huge as this, it was required to fire an armor-piercing projectile at a muzzle velocity of 900 m/s and penetrate 150 mm of rolled steel placed vertically at 1 km, which was enough to face the M4 Sherman as well as the M26 Pershing , which was scheduled to be deployed.[2]

It is not clear what kind of shells were used, but considering that anti-tank warfare was in mind, it is assumed that armor-piercing grenades and anti-personnel grenades (high explosive) were used. Although this shell was a huge shell with a weight of 30 kg and a length of 123 cm, it was an integral type rather than a separate type.

An autoloader similar to a chiri was to run.

Because the two-seat machine could not be redesigned and the howitzer was used, the breech was so large that it could not be mounted on a regular turret. Therefore, mounting it in a fixed fighting compartment was mainly considered. For comparison, the 105mm T5E2 tank gun mounted on the T29 tank by the U.S. Army weighed exactly half that, at 2.38 tons, and was mounted on a rotating turret and prepared for combat.

4. equipment to be loaded

  • Hori - It was planned to be mounted, but the war ended with half of the body of the prototype made.

  • Chiri - It was discussed, but it was only considered because Chiri’s body was bigger and heavier than other chariot’s.

  • Chise - I considered using a body as large as Hori or Chiri and putting 105mm on it.

  • Kato - It was planned to be equipped, but was terminated before completion along with Hori.

[1] 5.759m.[2] The original standard required penetration of 200mm at 1km, but this was considered possible at a distance of 600m even with a shell having a muzzle velocity of 1,000m/s. It was judged that it was realistically impossible with Japanese technology and lowered the standard. It was predicted that the muzzle velocity of 850m/s would have a penetration of 150mm at the same distance, and it was lowered based on this standard. seems to be
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What I ment was why did the Devs add a fake tank before a real tank that could perform a similar role.

I think the Ho-Ro is worthy of being br5 given it has similar size gun to the kv2 and shells for a anti tank role. It would be similar how to the M18 hellcat but instead of trading armour for speed it would trade armour for its gun.

They are not similar role, the 2 you suggested are with large caliber howitzer which are not designed to fight tank. Against br5 tank the only hope is using Ho-Ro to overpressure with HE round. HO-Ri is a tank destroyer with large caliber high velocity cannon which are designed to fight tank. Not to mention dev did add chi ha short gun which has similar role as the 2 tank you suggested before adding Ho-Ri, so your statement is wrong.

Lol Kv-2 is not even br5, it is only br4. Not to mention Kv-2 has armor and turret. Ho-Ro is br 3 at best.

Your right, I’m sorry I got it wrong. But I’d also still prefer if the Devs had added real tanks before resorting to fake tanks.

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khtk has a point what does japan have for a real tank for br5

Maybe the io experimental :thinking:
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From what I’ve read this track link belonged to it:
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But it’s about as service ready as the Ho-Ri, so the only other thing I could suggest is high calibre self propelled artillery that would trade armour for a ridiculously big gun.