What else can I say? As much as I would like 600rpm, it just won’t work. The Beretta M38a (40 round) fills that role now. The most I can hope for is the German equivalent to the Japanese MP28 at BR II. Mind you, this MP28 also fires at 480rpm base, and holds an additional 10 rounds. This fire rate would also sit it below the Beretta M1 and M38/40, but not so much that it’s not worth using. Plus, it’s faster than the slowest Tier I SMG (MP34 at 450rpm).
What are everyone’s thoughts? I mean hey, at least it is an upgrade of 80rpm base.
It can work and it will work, Beretta m38a also should go to BR2 while FNAB-43 have increased rof along with M38/42. We will be moving most BR2 smgs to BR1 as Germany is always playing with SMGs of one BR lower than they should be placed at. And at BR3 we will get new Steyr MP40 with 1100rpm.
As much as I would love this to happen, and would be the fix in an ideal world, it just won’t happen. The FNAB having 600rpm with a 40-round mag in BR II, specifically, Tier II (the Lanchester has 32 rounds at 600rpm in Tier III for comparison) would seem a bit too powercreepy.
As mentioned above, the MP28/II in Japan has a 50 round mag and 480rpm. It sits at the same position in the tech tree, BR II in Tier II. Since another Axis faction already has this specification, and it won’t be infringing upon Allied bias, they should approve the same spec for the FNAB. Again, this is another perfect world argument as all darkflow does is down-tier German SMGs without actually buffing them.
Yeah, but point I’m getting at is for those grinding the tech tree currently. They are more likely to use the Lanchester in BR III (like I do, and it holds up fine) as compared to going down tier to BR II. And it points out the odd positioning that it sits in. It is stronger than most BR II Allied and all German SMGs, but still weaker than BR III SMGs.
The FNAB-43 would have to be uptiered if you want to see true fire rate of 600rpm and above. Remember, we still have to please the Allied bias and powercreep.
Really? Even if FNAB has a base ROF of 600, Uragan on BR II is still better. And do you forgot M1A1 Thompson with has also 600 base ROF and higher damage then FNAB?
increasing the ROF of FNAB to 600 doesn’t makes it a BR III weapon. According to you Uragan (no question here) and also M1A1 Thompson needs to go back to BR III then
Ideally, that is where they belong. As I mentioned before, 600rpm FNAB kinda voids the Beretta M38A in Tier IV, and all Tier III SMGs essentially (ZK-383 included). The 480rpm buff would keep it a Tier II SMG, but still make it competitive enough to be an actual option between the MP40 and Beretta M1.
Such defeatist attitude and being a coward would make German MP40 to be at BR3 as intended by the Darkflow, only because i and a few other players complained they put it at BR2.
It’s always valid to voice your opinions and go against anti-german bias that Gaijin loves to spread. Point your finger at the devs and CM’s hypocrisy with they time it has to improve, otherwise they will kill the game.
With Uragan and M1A1 (plus multiple JP smgs that are like BR3 for Germany but at BR2) there are no valid excuse to not buff and downtier a couple of German smgs at BR2.
But an 80rpm buff is still a buff at the end of the day. With Germany, we have to do things differently. We can’t be like the Allies or Soviets and ask, “make all Thompsons BR II” or “make better MP40 for us” and they get given it right away. We have to pace ourselves a bit more. Ask for things slowly and for small changes, such as the one I have suggested. Then we can gradually ask for larger buffs.
would be a valid point if DF wouldn’t ignore and resist to buff FNAB for more then !!! 3 years !!! How long do you want to wait for a possible second buff? Another 3 years?
600-837 was the ROF fire I found most when researching, so my base would be 600, which matches the PPS-42 and it’s maxed would also equal the PPS-42 at 690 if not mistaken. Anything less would still be under buffing the real guns stats. Letting DF continue to under buff some factions weapons while over buffing others will just encourage them to continue doing it.
If DF made their weapons stats correct the first time people wouldn’t be posting non stop daily requests to buff or de buff weapons.
or if they would listen to propper feedback. xD Every good player said that Uragan doesn’t belong on BR II (during test server) and there was plenty of feedback. DF reaction: we won’t give a shit and still putting it on BR II because russian BIA
I understand that, but, it’s either under buff so that we can get some sort of improvement, or ask Darkflow to completely re do ALL gun stats to match up historically. Some, are not pretty (the PPSH fired faster in real life, the Fedorov fired about 350rpm, etc.) and game balance wouldn’t really work. I know which one is more likely to happen.
I only suggested 480rpm due to game balance, as mentioned before, there’s already an Axis SMG with those same specs. Keyword being Axis as it shouldn’t disrupt current balance.
I agree, but to be honest I don’t think it is much better then the PPS-43, and I had equipped all my squads with the Uragan, then found out for me that the PPS-42 was better for me. The Uragan probably should be level three, mostly because IMOP their is no need for it at level two, but if people would research they would see that the PPS-43 ROF was actually 500-600, so it is extremely over buffed and should basically be set the same as the PPS-42, which would basically make the PPS-43 irrelevant. So, just another example where DF used experimental numbers for the PPS-43, and took the lowest number they could find for the FNAB-43 at 400.
Even if FNAB has a base ROF of 600, Uragan on BR II is still better. And do you forgot M1A1 Thompson with has also 600 base ROF and higher damage then FNAB?
