Increase dispersion or recoil on the PPSh

also i say that as 44 doesn´t need any skill for controlling recoil, so compared to the stg, the stg needs some practice meanwhile the as no, so basically isn´t the player is the weapon that is broken in this case if is was something fair stg and as should have similar recoil, and dispesion
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The stick ppsh41 does indeed have irregular dispersion… it might get a fix in the future, and hopefully, other irregularities will as well

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This is such a disgrace.

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I think, since we are more and more moving towards asymmetrical balance - as in you know… Allies having super OP rocket planes, Germans having broken Tiger II H…
maybe it isn’t all that dumb of an idea to let Soviets have overpowered SMGs, like in having strong SMGs unlocked earlier than other factions PPSH Box could be BR2 with a fixed dispersion and such

BUT - in return the other factions should also get their own stuff unlocked earlier.

like Germans should then get the MG34 at BR2, MKB at BR4 US should get M1 carbines at BR1 and M1 Garand at BR2 and M2 Carbine at BR4

Historically speaking It would absolutely make sense to give Soviets the best SMGs, German the best MGs and Assault rifles, US the best semi autos and trooper rifles, the one issue that is preventing it from happening though, is simply that semi autos and MGs suck compared to SMGs and Assault rifles.

well, german players are complaining from these changes to make germany more actractive to the player base ( And less suffer) as i mentioned before, the player base just actract players to allies and soviets because they have events and easy weapons to use.

Rifles are pretty shit in BR 1-3 because they are not automatic even. Also in long distance, it deals tiny damage so rifles in general are better also includes lmgs.

Same to German lmgs when you crouch and tap fire and still be better than PPSH-41. Even if you have any weapons, its best to crouch when spotted enemy because the dumb AI will miss you all the time. Best if you go prone with automatic rifles as it grants your AI some kills.

Oh yeah? You still would struggle to hit enemy at good distance when you full automatic fire your weapon while standing:

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So yeah universal gun solution to be more accurate is to tap fire, even mgs can do a nice headshot in mid range by tap firing. They can get more kills by tap firing on a 50 round mgs than 32 round PPSH-41 that dries up fast.

Idk why but you gone far off by calling him AK guy and knowing other SMGs creators.

You can tap fire and engage in mid range combat with PPSH because of low recoil.

And you don’t use bipod or crouch for maximum accuracy? Sounds like your own skill issue right there. And its not misleading to test than believing a mere numbers from a speadsheet that I suspect is quite old or misleading there.

Ok so MG34 recoil is vastly “inferior” to PPSH-41 lmfao:

Sorry they are pretty much on competitive level here, its just you don’t know how to use MG34 thats all.

They are too little to just disregard the so called penalty.

That is a lack of skill to lose against a mere 20 round lmg. But they are both good on their own terms so it really doesn’t matter. Again its not weapons to blame, but either to yourself or your team as a whole because there is bunch of dipshits that doesn’t build rallies, block off team’s entrance by barbs and shit, and just fight only as engineers. Tankers are literal blind people driving it.

Oh really? The drum is better than box because it can cope its high ROF by more rounds in a mag.

Soviets and Germans have their own strength and weakness, but Allies are just the ones with barely any weakness.

Here is the result of close range full 30 round mag dumped. Pretty they are on same league but one has horrible sight and needs practice while one does not:

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AS-44 sight:
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STG-44 sight:
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I dealt Tiger I as BR 2 by yeeting 2 TNTs under the tank lol. But yeah its the matchmaking skill issue.

Sorry there is no more reason for them to complain other than the ones already proven except the American ones, I do acknowledge that they lack weakness. But for soviets, they are not op nor trash than Germans as they have their own weakness and strength. Wehraboos that are still complaining on Soviets being “op” is just a nerds that follows numbers only, not visual proof and often are oversensitive people that thinks that tiny “buffs” like armor and “penalty” for Germans mgs can greatly impact their gameplay while it doesn’t even. They rely on those numbers only to justify that reason to whine because they lose to Soviets a lot due to bad teamwork, skill issue bunch of douchebags, and blind tankers just like war thunder.

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“Skill issue”
“Learn to play”
“Let me demonstrate sideways walking, this is how I run to cap points and so does everyone else”
“You dont know anything about the game”

“You guys are such shitters, losing to 20 round bar with 50lmg”

How many shots you exactly need to kill one player ?

The numbers dont lie, thats kind of the point.
Unlike you, cant really prove a single one of your BS claims.

Irony here is that Im relatively sure its the USSR that enjoys most of the Wheelchair assistings.
“Oh git gud guyz while I play with mah wheelchair assists”

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Just 2 shots on the body and that is it. You guys can literally can mow down more than whole squad with MG34 and here still bitch about losing to a mere 20 round lmg that can mow down less than a squad before reloading. Quite questionable on their skills.

I believe I spent enough time testing each weapons out that you wanted to compare but also provided enough visual evidence to protest that stats. The stats are either outdated or wrong. Numbers and words lies a lot than your very own eyes. You can make a new headline and release the news that the aliens are attacking USA, but you still have to choice to either believe them or looking at the sky to make sure its clear lol. But ofc most people are going to believe the news and ignore the clear sky in front of their eyes. Sadly this is the stupid side of human nature as a whole.

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Oh really? Ironic that it explains very well about German faction. All of them just go rush to objective with no team support, dies, and repeat cycle of more than 150m run lmfao.

Don’t just merely cry, cry harder instead

Germany is not attractive not because of their weapon are “shit”. Its because recent events and updates. Also the most attractive one is the allies since it had M2 stinger event which is a op gun that yet to get a nerf. Also you unlock Japanese and Allies premium squad earlier than Soviet and Germany which is the real issue I noticed.

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20 / 2 = 10
Havent heard of squad over 10

I especiatly enjoyed the sideways walking.
You sir are genious.

Just your words

ah yes establish a killzone with mg13 and such.

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Nice I gave you chance not to shoot your own leg with your own math, but oh well here we are.
9 man squad is the rifleman squad. Okay lets calculate with maximum 2 shots:

Bar:
20/2=10
Meaning 1 rifleman squad and 1 rifleman extra

MG34:
50/2 = 25
Meaning 2 rifleman squad and 7 rifleman extra

So which one mows better? MG34 or BAR lmg?

Sideways crouch walking while shooting is quite effective at making AI miss their shots, so yeah thats that. Well front and back gives same result so the penalty is too little to notice.

So you don’t trust your eyes? Good, feel free to donate it to others who needs it.

I dont see the relevancy here, since your LogiKC you need 50 rounds to win 20 rounds.

I believe this other guy means the -50 sprint speed and other movement penalties lmgs get.
But since you fixed this issue by everyone just moving sideways It hardly is problem isnt it ?

idk I usually just shoot the bots, they really cant hit shit.
But not everyone has even that mediocre aim to compete against bots so I guess the crabwalking might be effective for some.

What do you mean “you don’t see relevancy here”? Oh nvm you are lost on your own words

Sounds intimidating but not really as its bit slower than smgs and drains a bit more stamina which is countered by perks which solves the issue already. So yeah its hardly a issue either way. There is no other penalties other than stamina drain and slower sprint.

Perks example here if you care anyway:
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No I really dont.

ah yes the meta sprint lmg build.
Imagine this game being years old and before you absolutely no one else thought of that.
Woaw.

If you really care so much about that then go ahead do that build, because generally people really shouldn’t care about sprint as they always respawn near objective by rallies/apcs

Didnt you just while ago say GE always runs 150m from spawn due to not building radios ?

I said “Generally” for a reason which means its not really GE only, but also includes soviets, Japan, and allies

Cry harder :joy:

Oh well, subject was BAR, allies far as I know dont fight against bar nor soviets.
But generally sure thing.

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Well subject was about mgs in general, if you don’t know how to beat soviets, then its your issue not the game. But I wouldn’t lie that Allies mgs like M2 stinger, planes, and tanks are op. But for soviets then its easy for germans to beat them with decent teamwork