its unplayable compared to br5 weapons and would be strong and historically accurate on BR4 regarding power level.
→ no nerfs, instead rank it down, which is a theoretical buff (together with the MKB, so both nations can fight against each other with these on BR 4)
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DF: “You know, you may have a point. Maybe we should look into ner-“
Gaijin: “NYET! RIFLE IS FINE!”
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Ironically, due to this, PPSh-41 is considered a very controllable bullet hose, as the RPM causes the gun to get really steady after initial kick.
Orita1941 also has broken laser dispersion 
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Buff FG42/II
Buff Sniper FG42 II
Buff MP40
Nerf PPSh-41 box/drum or bring BR4 and BR5 SMGs and Mkb42 to BR3/4. Right now it’s a BR5 weapon at BR3.
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Well by that context, MG34 deserves nerf because its also a laser mg with high ROF that mows down anyone at any range too. If the soldier crouch or goes full prone then its a literal laser too. If everyone tap fired, then these weapon are op.
Here is the test:
- Red is the MG34 (tap fired)
- Orange is MG34 (full automatic fired)
- Blue is PPSH-41 box mag (Tap fired)
- Violet is PPSH-41 box mag (full automatic fired)
Also irl PPSH-41 is a literal laser, so are you gonna shit on god and bolshelevs for making it op against Germans?
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Misleading testing. MG34 has bipod and it’s a mg so ofc it will be very accurate while you go prone. But in general gameplay it’s vastly inferior to ppsh-41 box that has zero recoil and bugged dispersion that is 4x lower than even BR5 Axis smgs, hell even BR5 PPSH-41 box has higher dispersion.
PPSh-41 box even at full auto has too perfect of the accuracy it’s a pipe dream of the Soviets it’s completely unrealistic and completely bugged and should be fixed asap.
You won’t be standing or crouching in single place without moving, you want to be shooting and strafing and penalty for doing so on MG34 is massive while on PPSh-41 is negligible
I rarely use MG34 since it can’t help me capture points like BAR can. It’s only great at defensive play but you can’t chose when you defend or attack so better be safe and use wz1928 and FN model 1930.
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Different weapon, different role. You’re comparing apples and oranges. LMGs are supposed to be deployed at rifle ranges, and beyond.
Yes, if they go prone and/or deploy the bipod. Which is how an LMG is supposed to be used.
The video proves that the AK guy can hit a watermelon at a few paces. If he was hitting a rifle target at 100 meters, it might prove your point.
Fair enough, but I’d wager hitting someone at 100 meters reliably might be a bit of a trick.
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Sorry but I would love to compare orange and apples because they are fruit. Same said for automatic weapons in general. If they kill well and handle well, then they are great. Germans are best at Mgs, and Soviets are best at Smgs. Real simple
Well smg guys and lmg always crouch to get max accuracy lmfao
Im talking about PPSH-41, not AK-47. PPSH-41 is so good in real life that my great grandpa have left it as a collection in Russia. Its been his favorite weapon during WW2. Isn’t that why Germany captured them because germans love them too?
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The PPSh is not simply the best; it is far and away in a league of its own without compare. It is an enemy deleter that can outshoot rifles at their preferred ranges. The MG34 has rather large drawbacks, and simply firing it from the shoulder even from a crouch makes it difficult to hit one’s target.
Crouching is a minimum for LMG if you want to actually hit what you’re aiming at. SMGs from a standing position are still capable of hitting the intended target, and are made more dangerous from a crouching postion.
The guy in the video, Brandon Herrera, he’s the AK guy. I know the difference between Mikhail Kalashnikov and Georgy Shpagin, and their creations.
I’m not saying the PPSh was bad, although I would point out that the Soviets replaced it with the PPS-41/43. As far forward as the Korean war the PPSh had a terrifying reputation in close range engagements. The point is, in it’s current implementation in game, it’s not a close range killing machine. It’s a kill at ranges semi-auto rifles have difficulty killing at reliably AND close range killing machine.
The Germans captured them because they recognized their utility in close range engagements, because they had stockpiles of compatible ammunition (7.63x25 Mauser will chamber and fire in a PPSh), and because a barrel change and magazine well modification allows it to fire 9x19 Luger. Also, let’s not forget; waste not, want not.
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You don’t use your bipod post fix? Well there’s part of your problem
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maybe you’ll learn to play already?
You should stop judging, actually he is rigth ppsh box is Even better that the drum mag.
I don’t know why that thing is buggy.
Actually soviets have some weapons that are biased, and German mains are well… Dealing with aberrations that doesnt need any type of skill like the as-44 or pps 42,43 or what about the rocket spamers and the m2 stinger?
This is just weapons but something that we cannot deal with it are the migrant playerbase. Also being supported by allies/soviet events.
Oh i don’t forget about this one br system is broken, You are in br 2 and why You are fácing a t34-85?
There’s a Even more reasons why germany mains are complaning, not because he’s noob or something like that is because this ins’t fair and probably there are more reasons : ) that i’ve desbribed rigth now
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biased? In relation to what? You only look at one parameter of the weapon. This is ridiculous.
that’s why i said, “learn to play”. Learn to play with STG44
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I always wondered why:
- PPSh box has weirdly small dispersion
- MG131 has weirdly large dispersion
- IL has weirdly good handling
- FW has weirsly bad handling
But I’m probably just seeing a pattern in random events so don’t take this seriously. I don’t have much experience with playing both sides.
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You guys should watch people trying to hit targets at 100 meters distance.
Don’t know about you guys, but I actually believe PPSH had a much lower effective range than other SMGs.
They should actually have double the dispersion of MP40 and then be moved down the BRs
Both weapon systems were rivals, and ri think a PPSH deserves to be in the same BR category as STG and FG42 is insane.
PPS 43 should be the better weapon.
The PPSH box has semi auto rifle level disparity, While every other SMG in the game including the drum mag variant all have disparity of around 0.7. Someone commented saying it must be a bug in another post but looking at the data it’s not a bug that is intentionally set at 0.21. That’s more than likely because of pre-merge data, oversight or not it needs to be brought closer in line with the rest of the SMGs. There shouldn’t be a single piece of equipment in the game that’s got such a wide margin over other pieces of equipment of the same kind. That goes for any faction it destroys the balance of the game. When one weapon can clearly outperform other weapons from a different weapon classification that’s a problem and what I mean is a SMG outperforming assault rifles and semi auto.
How it would outperform is not through damage but by holding the same level of disparity as another weapon and outperforming in terms of fire rate, aim down sight speed, etc. as another weapon. Weapons that have full auto capability It’s not very hard to burst fire or double / triple tap to kill somebody at long range. When this happens this creates a dual purpose weapon that is capable of fighting in multiple categories versus just its own. causing people to gravitate toward that weapon as a “solve all” gun, This usually leads to disruption and oversaturation of equipment that is out of balance, I guess a simple way to say it is it becomes an meta weapon.
No dual purpose guns, They don’t belong in this game. An SMG doesn’t need to be on par with/outperforming a assault rifle or semi auto rifle, doesn’t matter what factions using it.
In the PPSH box case it needs to have its disparity tripled from 0.21 to at least 0.63. This way it can still potentially outperform many other weapons in it’s own category depending on how it’s used but not by a massive amount. I’m not asking for it to be moved up or down in BR, just to be brought more in line with the rest of the weapons from that type while removing its ability to act as a dual purpose weapon. This is in consideration to its shorter effective range, hence the slightly lower disparity compared to other SMGs. It would excel a little more with close range, But be worse at longer range as the weapon was meant to be.
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That’s likely because of the broken matchmaking, if there’s not enough players it’s defaulting automatically to the old rules. If it can’t find anyone for ±1 it’ll default to the normal matchmaking. If it can’t find people there then it looks for all matchmaking for that faction.
This is another reason they need to publicly post player count for factions at that time. That way you know if you’re playing the bot faction or you’re playing a popular faction. This would go alongside incentivizing playing as a faction that doesn’t have a lot of players, hence join any team.
But for some odd reason FG42 compared to PPSh didnt suit your biased needs.
Indeed it was so great that it was replaces by pps.
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