Improving the recoil calculation formula

[Willcario]

@Euthymia07

@SmallebigE

but if this coming to Rzhev update why?

@_Movmav

In one of the future “Making Enlisted a Better Place” updates, the recoil of all firearms will become more predictable.

It’s later, not with the rzhev update

@Euthymia07 wont this change just increase the skill ceiling even more? i dont think the average player wants to put in the time to memorize recoil patterns like this game is Rust or CSGO

[Willcario]

@Valkay

@HalfPast

AVT-40 has 87 Vertical Recoil, but it feels the same as DP-27. DP-27 only has 41 Vertical Recoil.

Those are fake stats
AVT-40 has 22 vertical
DP-27 has 37 vertical

Here, take a look at it yourself
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/13SXNYOfbfhFHYQ-DTNpLzTDtYdPaz0f-M4W3HyxKcxg/htmlview#

@Euthymia07 additionally, darkflow needs to stop with the misleading stats, i cannot see a single good reason why guns need this “hidden recoil multiplier”, get rid of it and adjust the recoil stats to be more transparent in game

[gastanofrizzi]

@GeneralBrus

Data miners - I am disappointed in you.

Improving the recoil calculation formula

You maybe wasn’t present Wen they did it, it was an interesting idea anyway

@gastanofrizzi

When shooting in Enlisted, weapons portray a ‘random’ recoil set of behaviours within a given set of parameters of a weapon. Currently, we are considering implementing a set of ‘patterned’ recoil behaviors instead. This will make each weapon model more unique in terms of handling, and more interesting when it comes to learning and mastering

Is inside a old devblog of September 21

[noktinnky_noktin]

you mean 3 year ago? im pretty sure i wasnt even a forum lurker back then

[gastanofrizzi]

Yep 3 years ago, the game was completely different

[Adamnpee]

@EVA_Gladitor

Yo, an infantry buff? From Darkflow? I didn’t think it was possible.

Only if you had problems to control recoil up until now. Which would be truly hilarious, since so many people didn’t even notice something like this:

@_Movmav

impossible to get used to your favorite gun, because the recoil pattern changes with each battle.

…was a thing.

[Valkay]

I wonder how much less “random” recoil will get, this might be a huge buff to AVT-40 and T20E1 (and the soon to be added T20).

[Willcario]

@Valkay

this might be a huge buff to AVT-40

the thing already had zero recoil lmao

[Dr_Shinobi]

Still waiting for the Rzhev update

[_31420124242011]

How about toning down dispersion across the board other than on non-bipoded MGs and AT rifles that aren’t mounted

[CapitanRastrero]

…WHAT?

It was random every match?

[VivaldiX96]

@_Movmav

differences in the assembly of each weapon - quality during World War II was not consistent.

If you wanted to simulate those differences, then why each weapon had it’s own constant upgrade level? Based on that logic, the upgrade stars on my G43 should jump from 6 to 3 to 5 to 4 etc. each freaking battle (because it becomes a different weapon each time, duh[heavy sarcasm]).

How many nonsense mechanics are still hidden in the code?

[MSGBohica]

You’re removing your BS opinion on how bullets and physics work? Nice.

[ParaDivision]

dont worry, the people with best aim in the world dont memorize recoil in enlisted, you literally jsut need to hold your mouse down against vertical recoil, everything else doesnt matter much.

[VivaldiX96]

@_Movmav

we simulate the small differences in the assembly of each weapon - quality during World War II was not consistent.

Right. Yet somehow it is exactly the same (0.22 radius at 100m - an awful dispersion for a rifle) across all versions of FG 42 (normal FG 42, Krieghoff FG, FG 42 II, Sniper FG 42 II, FG 42 with grenade launcher) have the same awful dispersion of a badly worn out SMG, even though they were produced with the most expensive and precise methods available and were shooting from closed bolt in semi-auto to achieve marksman precision.

Either you simulate something or you don’t. Be consistent and improve the weapons that obviously deserve it.

[Euthymia07-live]

@Willcario

wont this change just increase the skill ceiling even more?

I don’t see why, a good player already knows how their gun’s recoil works, it will help newer players tho who will miss less shots due to randomness being removed

[shturmovik_rs]

How would you know?

[robihr]

@VivaldiX96

Either you simulate something or you don’t. Be consistent and improve the weapons that obviously deserve it.

problem is that they dont simulate it. they put BS values on what they think those values should be for the class of the weapons. best example of BS values is ppsh41 box vs ppsh41 drum.

[Ron_McKracker]

@_Movmav

The recoil pattern of automatic weapons will continue to be affected by the dispersion of each individual bullet, but without the random formula, the shooting experience will not change drastically from battle to battle.

So the dispersion will still be god awful? Wonderful.

[MR_87]

@ParaDivision

it leads to effects like your bolt action missing a target 1 m in front of you due to the randomness.

This means you don’t understand what changes they want to make at all.
How could random recoil affects the accuracy of BA rifle?
What you’re describing is dispersion, and that’s not what they plan to remove this time.