the ideas of subtrees have been suggested before,but I would like to add my own idea for it.so the main summary of the idea is that each of the main factions gets a few subtrees that are independent of the main nation’s research tree and equipment of the subnations is moved to the sub-tree,which brings a few benefits.so without further ado,here’s the meat and bones.
-less bloating
this will help the bloating of factions a bit,germany especially,since out of the TT,26 items in it’s TT would be moved if the sub-trees.
-more new equipment available
if this happens,these sub-trees would be rather small,but there is a lot new unique stuff that can be added to fill them.this also gives people something to play for other then events.
-role players happy
for the people who love playing as the UK,Italy,or whatever,from the point mentioned above,will be able to have more equipment to better fight across multiple BRs,which is difficult due to the limited equipment avalible,most of it at low BR
-opens the gateway to new nationalities and squads
this will allow you to have more variety among your soldiers and lets you have additional squads available
the part that is the most interesting out of these, here are the subtrees and some of the equipment they would have.it would take a while to get all the suggested equipment made or ported,and you wouldn’t be able to 100% play as these,only getting up to a certain percentage,but still would give a lot more then what is in the game now.this part is a little messy,so sorry if there is an error somewhere,I’ll try to fix them if I find any.I couldn’t find enough stuff for Japan or the USSR to have their own separate branch,as I couldn’t really find anywhere it would get foreign equipment,maybe for Japan China would be added,but that’s kinda iffy since most of China’s stuff is copies of other stuff and the US is already getting Chinese stuff.keep in mind this would be some placeholder stuff,and a lot could be added later on,as well as implementation of one of these for the USSR and Japan.
European Axis
there would be 2 of them since there was a lot of stuff from different places used by the European axis
Italy,Hungary,Romania,and France
quite a good deal of unique equipment can be added from these countries either allied to germany or invaded by them,and would break the monotony.there is a huge amount of stuff that could be added not given.
guns
guns moved here:Carcano M41,Carcano Mod.38,Carcano Mod.38 sniper,Beretta M38A,Breda Mod 30,Carcano M1891,Mas 36,Beretta M1918,OVP 1918,FNAB 43,Mannlicher M1895,Armaguerra Mod 39,Carcano M91 sniper,ZB 26,Beretta M1,Beretta M38/42,Beretta 40 rounds,and Kiraly 39M
Fég 37M
A Hungarian pistol with a 7 round magazine,distinct because of the pinky support
Solothurn S-18/100,BR 1~2 AT
a semi automatic 20mm AT gun used widely,could be fun to see in game especially if it gets the option to use a scope,although it’s use would become negligible at BR2 at it’s intended role.
MAS 38,BR1 SMG
A french SMG captured during the invasion of france,more were produced under occupation then while it was free.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/MAS-38.jpg
Chauchat,BR2 LMG
many were captured during the invasion of France,and was used in limited amounts,could be a nice contrast to have something a bit slower and controllable from the other axis LMGs.already in the game as a premium weapon.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Chauchat_1_(50643241222)_(cropped).jpg
tanks
tanks moved here:M14/41,AB 41, and 75/32 M41
Turán I,BR1 tank
A Hungarian tank armed with a 40mm cannon and a unique 8mm machine gun (much better then the italian 8mm)
https://static.encyclopedia.warthunder.com/images/it_40m_turan_1.png
Turán II,BR2 tank
essentially the same tank as above but with the 40mm cannon swapped out with a short 75mm cannon
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXvwYk48lCU32V1SCEp3xinCUMgIZD9QJeeQ&s
P40,BR2 tank
think of this as an M4a2 but worse in just about every way;less armour,slightly worse gun,infinitely worse MGs,a bit slower.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSxhmMOw3pdkWiA_r7NjZDJSDYcgXM5oF0Vig&s
Turán III,BR3 tank
the final version of the Turán series,this one armed with a long 75mm to better combat heavy tanks like the KV1.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQOjnrOACls89JXdk8hV21tQXR97Gi6QOBnNA&s
Zrínyi II,BR3 SPG
a Hungarian SPG with a 105mm howitzer,overall quite similar to the StuG (including all the massive shortcomings).to make up for this,it could get a few HEAT rounds around 7 or so)
planes
planes moved here:Re 2000 serie 1,Potez 633,IAR 81C,C.202EC,and Fiat G.55
Weiss WM-21 sólyom, BR1 bomber
a biplane with an interesting armament choice,with a quite few 10kg bombs or many 1kg flame bombs.could be fun to use.
https://i0.wp.com/plane-encyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Weiss-Manfred-WM21-6.jpeg?ssl=1
MÁVAG Héja II Zuhanóbombázó,BR 1~2 fighter
a Hungarian plane based on the Re.2000,has dual modified 12.7mm machine guns that would eat through the ammo very fast,which isn’t very good,but it does have a 250kg bomb instead.in comparison with other BR1 fighters,it has only 2 12.7mms and a 250kg in comparison to the IARs (which should be 2) dual 7.92 FN machine guns and dual 20mm MG 151s,as well as two 50kg bombs and a 250kg bomb.the BF 109 E7/U2 has dual 7.92s and 20mm MG FF/Ms which will last around as long as the 12.7mms while being stronger,and four 50kg bombs (only 50kgs difference)
SM.92,BR3 bomber
2 fighter chassis slapped together,good mix of 20mms and 12.7mms,to make up for the amazing guns it has a relatively small bombload of six 50kg bombs
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YGbINKyQl7Q/maxresdefault.jpg
SM.91,BR4 bomber
an earlier version of the SM.92 that replaces the remaining 12.7mms with 20mms and trades the 50kgs out for 100kgs.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vIsLkzi3JBU/maxresdefault.jpg
Re 2005 serie 0,BR5 fighter
an Italian fighter armed with three 20mm cannons,two 12.7mm machine guns,and has a 250kg bomb and two 100kg bombs
Finland and Norway
throughout the war,there were weapons from the Nordic countries used by Finland and Germany,and there could be some quite fun stuff added to this.
guns
Lahti L35
a Finnish pistol resembling the P08 luger,however does not have the toggle lock system of the P08.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Lahti_L-35-1.jpg/450px-Lahti_L-35-1.jpg
Suomi Kp/31 early stick,BR1 SMG
uses 20 round magazines,could be similar to the PPD 34,high ROF but small magazine.could have a slightly faster reload due to the slightly smaller magazine size
Mosin M28-30, BR 1 sniper rifle
a modification of the M28 we had in the game pre merge,this version a sniper rifle (this was the model of rifle Simo Häyhä used,securing himself one of the highest amount of kills ever at over 500).
https://i-enlisted.cdn.gaijin.net/original/3X/2/6/2611cef1a8da13bf31a1515f1e2b80b11d1a4f89.jpeg
Mosin M39,BR1 rifle
a slight alteration of the M28 in a few characteristics such as the rear sights.
https://i-enlisted.cdn.gaijin.net/original/3X/d/f/dfe55cc4309f1ac54ba7354a65c286767dc590a1.jpeg
Lahti L39,BR1~2 AT
A semi-automatic 20mm anti tank rifle with the nickname “Norsupyssy” which translates to “elephant gun” due to the stopping power this packedd,although by the time large numbers were made enemy armour was too thick for effective use.
Lahti L34, BR2 LMG
Prototype LMG designed to replace the LS26, uses a top mounted magazine similar to the Bren and ZB26.
https://i-enlisted.cdn.gaijin.net/original/3X/f/7/f71d9500b6a351b0974537d72c65338873767007.jpeg
Krag Jørgenson,BR2 rifle
Norwegian rifle with a unique side loaded magazine
https://i-enlisted.cdn.gaijin.net/original/3X/b/c/bceba834824f11c641e414e95d205ed5bb82a447.jpeg
Kp/44 with 50 round drum,BR3
a Finnish copy of the PPS 43 that could use 50 round drums,it would be fine here due to the relatively low ROF compared to other BR3 SMGs.
Kg M/21,BR3 MG
A Swedish licensed copy of the BAR with a few changes made supplied to Finland.
Suomi KP/31 SJR with casket magazine,BR4 SMG
a later version of the KP/31 that uses a muzzle break and a 50 rounds casket magazine.1st image is the gun and the 2nd is the magazine.
https://i-enlisted.cdn.gaijin.net/original/3X/b/9/b9d03bd6ae4f3cc6f9c98a0bd82eb216d507b9e2.jpeg
https://i-enlisted.cdn.gaijin.net/original/3X/0/9/09f67b9b6278332ae0824e97a76c10f148e41138.jpeg
tanks
while most of the tanks here are stolen russian tanks because the sub-tree needs to have a few tanks,they are not the best russian tanks,with there being better variants of the vehicles available to the russians except for the T34-85,but that’s not that big of a deal since it is a very uncommon tank,most russian tanks seen being T34-85 D5Ts and IS2s.
Vickers mark E,BR1 tank
a british tank bought by Finland fitted with a unique cannon and machine gun,not very strong but something different.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZLllcUT6t5I/sddefault.jpg
T28,BR2 tank
the early T28,not the improved T28E,in game. (if seeing in the swastika in a WW2 community offends you it’s best you move away from WW2 related things,and it’s not even being used by the Germans in this case)
https://i.redd.it/ndzwn74z9v731.jpg
BT-42,BR2~3 SPG
a captured BT7 fitted with a 114mm howitzer,it keeps the very weak armour of the BT7 and a very slow turret rotation speed,which could maybe make it BR2,but could go to 3.
T34,BR3 tank
one of the earlier T34s,not the better 57mm T34,in game.
https://www.jaegerplatoon.net/T34_2.jpg
T34-85,BR4 tank
the same as the T34-85 in game.
planes
VL Myrsky II,BR1 fighter
armed with four 12.7mms and two weak 100kg bombs,could be fun for low tier
Ar 196 A-5,BR1 bomber
a German seaplane provided to Finland, the role of “bomber” is put secondary due to only having two 50kg bombs,this plane gets a quite nice gun selection at BR1 for a bomber,taking the guns of the BF109 E7/U2 and giving it 2 MG81s as a rear gunner.this would be used really as a way to just have a bomber up at low BR that isn’t the Potez.
https://static.encyclopedia.warthunder.com/images/arado-196a-5.png
Ju 88 A4,BR3 bomber
a few examples of the German were provided to finland during the Winter War,has 4 defensive gunners using 7.92mm MG81s in addition to the pilot controlled MG81,comes with dual 500kg bombs
https://static.encyclopedia.warthunder.com/images/ju-88a-4_finland.png
BF 109 G6 Erla,BR4 fighter
almost the same as the normal 109 G6,but has a 30mm instead of the 20mm and has a slightly different cockpit layout
VL Pyörremyrsky,BR 4 fighter
a fighter with a 20mm cannon and 12.7mms weaker then the 13mm machine guns on BF 109s with similar preformance,this gets four 100kg bombs instead of 50kgs,although they aren’t a huge improvement over 50kgs (25kgs of explosive mass on german 50kgs,only 36 on this,so only 11kgs more)
Western Allies
Britain,the Commonwealth,and Free France
there is a bit that can be added for stuff in the TT that could be good,but
guns
guns moved here include:Boys ATR,sten mk2,PIAT,vickers berthier,bren mk1 and 2,SMLE mk 3 and 4,SMLE grenade launcher,Owen,Ross mk3,Vickers-Bertier,and Enfield P14
Rifle No 5 Mk I,BR2 rifle
a carbine version of the SMLE mk4 intended for jungle use
Sterling/Patchett,BR2 SMG
SMG that saw limited use from 1944 during the war,but use took off after the war.
https://armourersbench.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/wpnstr08a.png?w=863
Sten Mk V,BR2 SMG
an overall improvement over the Mk 2,a real stock,a foregrip,and slightly better quality
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/sten-mk5.png
Lewis gun,BR3 LMG
already in game,kinda strange how the gun mass used by the British strangely isn’t used by the british and instead the russians who got a few from lend lease.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Lewis_LMG.png/600px-Lewis_LMG.png
MAS 38,BR1 SMG
A french SMG produced before the invasion of France.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/MAS-38.jpg
MAS 44,BR4 semi auto
an experimental semi automatic rifle of french origin
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/guns/images/0/0b/MAS1944.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190123184528
tanks
tanks moved here include:A13 mk II,Diamler mk2,M1 grant,and Crusader
Hotchkiss H.39,BR1 tank
A french tank armed with the 7.5mm French MG and 37mm with decent armour for BR1.
D2,BR1 tank
a slight upgrade from the H.39,uses a 47mm cannon instead of the 37mm.
Valentine I,BR2 tank
the same one in the game as the old russian premium squad axed post merg.
planes
planes moved here include:Hurrican mk 2B/trop,spitfire mkVc and Vb,and the Beaufighter X
Potez 631,BR2 bomber
armed with a potent array of guns,two 20mms and six 7.7mms,while it does lack on the bombs due to them being 100kgs,the guns help make up for that
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQv8f54RY7Oyx_RMb3p1tAmuny361I17TTrDQ&s
Blenheim Mk IV,BR 2 bomber
armed with a fair number of 7.7mm machine guns for defence and 2 500 pound bombs
Firecrest,BR3 bomber
armed with triple 12.7mms and 8 RP3 rockets,this plane boasts a pretty good armament.
https://static.encyclopedia.warthunder.com/images/b_48_firecrest.png
M.B.157,BR1 fighter
although it lacks any bombs,the dual 20mm hispano cannons are dangerous at BR1
Wirraway,br3 bomber
armed with two 250 pound bombs and two 500 pound bombs,basically the JU 87 D3,bad guns but a lot of bombs.
https://static.encyclopedia.warthunder.com/images/wirraway.png
Seafire F mk XVII,BR3 fighter
a quite agile plane,dual 20mm cannons and 4 7.7mm machine guns,holds three 250 pound bombs
https://static.encyclopedia.warthunder.com/images/seafire_mk17.png
Thanks to @Valkay for inspiration to make this post and some of the Hungarian equipment,and other forum members who have suggested some of this equipment and some of the ideas.this post took quite a bit,so feedback on it would be very much appreciated,and also thanks for reading all of that.
EDIT:the images don’t work properly,I’ll put the images in the replies
