Did some tests with @Upolaf on custom matches with IL2, vs BF109.
Moscow Bf109E - Only Cannons from directly behind, spread damage across left right wings and tail, turned IL2 yellow, although did lose some speed flew straight and level and could react normally. (25 rounds approx)
Moscow BF109E - Only Mgs, shooting right wing only, seems to turn it orange, black, but a short burst to only right wing, wing shot off, but IL2 managed to fly for a minute or so, with no wing, soon as any maneuver crashed (200
rounds approx)
Other findings, flight performance seems to deteriorate over time (few mins after?) after initial attack, losing speed, airlerons elevator controls get stiffer, and plane eventually crashes.
More testing to do, with F1 on IL2, PE3, SB2M etc will amend post over time.
Next Proposed tests:
Bf109 / IL2 Side attack - aim for cockpit engine
BF109 / IL2 Top down - attack pilot and fuselage (during turn)
yes was the 41 i ment ^^ Well there is some in variants in Berlin asw which has more balanced armor but think thats also because most prob the fighters there and planes overall have higher cal
2 IL-2 variants and then an IL-10 later on in Berlin. The 10 surprised me because at first I thought it was a 2, but it took a hell of a lot more rounds into it to get it to drop. The 10 definitely handles better than the 2s, for what it’s worth.
All seems reasonable - even Stuka and Hs123 MG’s can turn the whole airframe “medium” yellow over time, at which point the accumulated damage makes it slow down appreciably and usually not worth the effort to continue flying.
Personnally I still think the planes are two resistant compared to war thunder.
7.7mm? forget it, unless you got 8 guns maybe.
12.7/13mm meh… if you only got 2 it’s useless against attackers and most fighters.
20mm good stuff, but not as powerfull as in war thunder when a good burst is enough.
I’ve never run out of ammo after chasing one or two plane in war thunder.
In enlisted I sometime just prefers to damage the plane to handicap it in the long term and continue bombing. It a waste of time (a lot of time) to go for the kill while a damaged plane could be more handicap since it’s a squad less on the ground.