If the Pak 40 equipped Pz 4s are going to BR 3, the 76mm M4A1 and M18 Hellcat should be BR 3

[Comrade_Sina]

We can bring the fire rate of the FNAB-43 weapon closer to pps, I think considering its magazine capacity and recoil, the ROF 550 could be suitable.(base ROF)

[GeneralBrus]

Why 550 specifically tho? Also I personally again dont like MP40 becoming obsolete considering how iconic it is.

Why not make BR2 SMGs in general a bit weaker instead, to make BR1 have a better time?

[Comrade_Sina]

@GeneralBrus

MP40

The MP40 Buff is an interesting option, but it’s useless when we have the Beretta M38/42 and Beretta M1.

@GeneralBrus

550

Some suggest very high ROF like pps43 which I think is useless, very high ROF is useless for that type of weapon, I prefer pps42. pps42 has ROF 600, but considering that FNAB-43 has better stats, its ROF should be set a little less than 600, that’s why I went with 550, but I don’t think ROF 600 will cause much of a problem either.

@GeneralBrus

Why not make BR2 SMGs in general a bit weaker instead, to make BR1 have a better time?

This requires a lot of changes, weapons like pps, m1a1, ovp, etc. have a big difference in power compared to BR1 SMGs.

[Dregomz]

@Comrade Sina

I said before that as long as the pz3n is in BR2, the pps should stay the same, but now I’m not against that change, but when the Americans get the m1a1 (and the Japanese who always had good smgs), we should give the Germans a similar smg in BR2 instead of nerfing the pps.

They don’t need anything new. Just increase ROF of M38/42 to 550rof to be slightly below in rof of PPS-42 + get a big buff to the vertical recoil/dispersion as it’s way too high and correct muzzle velocity

Buff FNAB-43’s rof to 700 to match PPS-43
MP40 gets much lower recoil + dispersion + minimal visual recoil so it will be the most accurate smg of BR2 as it shoots pretty slow.
Put VMP at BR2 as it’s for some reason placed at BR3.

Without much effort you now have pretty cool variety of BR2 German smgs and everyone could pick something that they would like to use with very fast rof (FNAB-43), fast but more accurate rof (Beretta M38/42) or slow rof but perfect accuracy (MP40)

[Comrade_Sina]

@Dregomz

Buff FNAB-43’s rof to 700 to match PPS-43

In that case it becomes much more powerful, that weapon has better recoil than the pps42, also 5 more bullets.

@Dregomz

They don’t need anything new. Just increase ROF of M38/42 to 550rof to be slightly below in rof of PPS-42 + get a big buff to the vertical recoil/dispersion as it’s way too high and correct muzzle velocity

I agree with increasing ROF, but recoil doesn’t need to change.

@Dregomz

VMP

what?

@Dregomz

MP40 gets much lower recoil + dispersion + minimal visual recoil so it will be the most accurate smg of BR2 as it shoots pretty slow.

You can buff accuracy and recoil a little, but not too much. Don’t forget that other countries don’t have similar weapons.

[Dregomz]

@Comrade Sina

In that case it becomes much more powerful, that weapon has better recoil than the pps42, also 5 more bullets.

Dregomz:

nerf it’s recoil to match pps-43 they can invent some way to make it more similar. 5 more rounds doesn’t matter as PPS-42 already has great 35 rounds

@Comrade Sina

but recoil doesn’t need to change.

recoil is much worse than pps-42 and rof would be also a bit worse than pps-42 it needs a buff

@Comrade Sina

what?

Smg that is still at BR4 and only getting downtiered to BR3 despite having awful recoil it belongs to BR2

@Comrade Sina

You can buff accuracy and recoil a little, but not too much. Don’t forget that other countries don’t have similar weapons.

Yeah they have 50 round round smgs at br2 like Japan or low recoil 30 round monster with 810 rof like Thomson 7.63.

Buffing Mp40 to be actually very accurate with no low dispersion won’t make it too overpowered as it have to survive vs fast firing smgs + rifles somehow both at close and mid range.

Also recently added MAS-38 need to get buffed as dmg and recoil are both bad.

[GeneralBrus]

@Comrade Sina

In that case it becomes much more powerful, that weapon has better recoil than the pps42, also 5 more bullets.

Well yeah, that is to be expected when having one of the slowest shooting SMGs… I though a recoil nerf was self explanatory.

[Comrade_Sina]

Well, in the end it all depends on the gaijin, they can buff ROF and not touch anything, or increase ROF a lot and nerf recoil.

[Ivan_and_Gayjin]

same for t-34/85
Pak/KwK 40, 76mm M1, 85mm all have comparable penetration values
The front hull are nearly 80mm armor(slop)

76shermans,t-34/85 should go br3

[Darenius1]

@Ivan_and_Gayjin

The front hull are nearly 80mm armor(slop)

Not on the BR 3 tanks…

If you can find the glaring weakspot on a panzer 4 than skill issue.