I’ve been rewatching Band of Brothers and just finished the scene at Carentan and was wondering, if Gaijin ever added the Cromwell to Enlisted, what German armored vehicle could be released along side it as a counterpart?
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Panzer III 50mm and Panzer IVs still pretty much, dont really think there is an extra counterpart.
Unless you want to add Turans, which they just did in warthunder and they are pretty fun. (but I dont think they ever met)
Case could be made for this…but I wouldnt say is a cromwell counterpart.
*Edit or go Italian
celere sahariano (basically a crusader)
ab 43 (more of an Italian Puma)
p40 (this is closer to a sherman counterpart but there is a 75mm cromwell)
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I think we won’t have Cromwell until Britain gets an entire tree independant of the US. Cromwell is too similar to Sherman II or M4A2 to be introduced as part of the US, it has similar armor in a more boxy shape and its 75mm gun uses the same ammunitions as Shermans. In game it would be comparable to Pz IV F2/G/J or Pz III M probably.
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Lol Cromwell is clearly inferior to the Sherman. Its armor is considerably weaker than Sherman. It can easily fit the future tech tree by putting it before the Sherman II.
It has 63 mm of RHA on a hull that you can easily angle. Sherman II has 50 mm of CHA (which has an armor modifier of 0.94 compared to RHA) and it has two humongous bulges on the front side that act as terrible weak spots. The only point where I could see a win is the stabilizer for the sherman, which is not as effective as in war thunder.
Lol, looks like you have no idea how armor works. Sherman have slope armor on the front, the raw armor thickness is indeed 50mm, but because of the slope the effective thickness could be 80mm+. In addition, slope armor have extra protection against most Axis armor piercing round excluding HEAT.
that’s why he said angle easily.
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Lol, what are you even talking about?
Did I said anything about the Cromwell? My reply only talks about Sherman.
just saying… you were saying that he didn’t understand that 50mm becomes alot more because the Shermans armor is sloped…
BUT he had already mentioned Slope (angle) by angling the hull…soooo…
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Look on top, he said Cromwell has similar armor in a more boxy shape. If he knows it, he wouldn’t say such weird stuff.
It is like saying Panzer 4 F1(50mm on turret and hull) has similar armor as t-34 (45mm on turret and hull) in a more boxy shape.
Well, maybe he don’t know slope armor is same as angling.
the gist of what he said (at least as I read it) was 63mm angled/sloped is better (or at least comparable) than 50mm angled/sloped.
Sherman doesn’t have to angle to get the benefit (Sherman II has huge weak spot if you do), Cromwell does have to angle, which isn’t hard but is comparable …anyway…not important.
Now I like both tanks, and wouldn’t generally compare them, but I can see why he is
You consider that huge? It is rather hard to hit it on long range.
Actually, its some mod of Puma or Pz III.
Cromwell is flat, and poor reverse speed, so, its just average mid-war medium tank, nothing special.
compared to being front on its huge haha…I’m so much happier when shooting at them with the 50mm short or 47mm when they angle…soooo much happier
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Cromwell has box shape for the hull so yes you can actually angle the tank yourself just like a Tiger I in order to increase the effective thickness of the armor. If you angle your hull 35-40 degrees toward the enemy gun, you would reach an armour thickness similar to that of Sherman’s sloped armour.
Did not know that angling your tank toward the enemy was such an obscur concept for most people…
Yes sherman has sloped armor, but sherman II (M4A1) has notoriously bad cast hull with large weakspots.
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Lol, you still need to angle it, and you can’t angle your turret because you need to shoot, so your entire turret is a giant weakspot.
Lol, on your initial word you compare the pure armor thickness of cromwell with sherman, totally ignoring the sherman slope armor.
Lol, did you ever fight against sherman II in this game? Those weakspot are not easy to hit on long range. It is not notoriously bad in this game. It is still way easier to shoot cromwell big flat turret.
So I guess that Tiger I is the worst tank in the game “because you have to angle it” and yes you can angle your turret as well if you don’t want to get destroyed. Yes you need skill to use it.
Yes because once again I talked about angling the cromwell to reach similar armour of the sherman, because I implicitly believed that the people I was talking to already knew that sherman armor is sloped.
War thunder has the exact same tank model, I can assure you that I have destroyed enough Sherman II and M4a1 using 2 pdr gun in that game by hitting that huge weak spot.
It is like not knowing that turret mantlet is Panther’s weakspot. If you want to perform in tank on tank action in this game you need to learn tanks’ weak spot.
Yes it is, but is still also pretty easy to reduce this by making sure that the corner of your tank’s hull is facing toward the enemy tank. Yes Cromwell might be more difficult than a sherman but not it is not worse. And it is much faster with better engine.
At least with the cromwell you can angle your hull to limit the existing weakness, in the Sherman II you cannot do anything about the weakspot of the hull.
Lol, totally different stuff. Tiger 1 turret armor can withstand US 76, it has enough turret armor.
While cromwell turret is not well armored.
But looks like you don’t. Your first post didn’t even mention angling. You literally said it has similar armor in a more boxy shape. Who will expect people that say such weird stuff know sherman armor is slope? Also it is meaningless to compare the raw thickness of both tank if you know one tank has slope armor.
Not really, this game is not war thunder, there is still some difference. Go and try it yourself.
Lol, what? I am talking about turret, nothing to do with the hull.
The turret itself is a giant weakness.
I mean Cromwell’s turret armor has the exact same thickness as the rest of the tank, you can angle it too. Sherman’s turret is round.
You can do it in a similar way as Churchill III. But once again angling yourself seems too difficult and requires skill I guess…
How do you shoot enemy while angling?