I wonder where the 44% WR for the USSR actually is?

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If you want the source, go dig through the 200+ sources on early T-34s and you will find it. But don’t blame me for not wanting to waste my time because one random stranger on the internet just can’t believe that their holy T-34 was sent to the frontline in unfinished state.

I’m not asking you for historical documents of the T-34 and KV-1 being in Moscow either, right? Because I know it is true.

Do you also want historical documents on the 37mm HE being outdated and replaced?
Or the Pz3B being used to training regiments only by the time battle of moscow started?

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Typed from my PZ2 meme bunker sitting outside your boundaries, completly unflankable. Maybe they go unopposed because all Russian tank can be disabled from the front by the basic german tank.

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except it’s not. Antimaterial rifles can pen the front of the T-60’s turret but not the front of the Panzer II’s.
A Panzer II will always have less vulnerable surface area available than the T-60, because the T-60’s entire turret is vulnerable.

Or you just don’t notice you’re getting shot at because of how bouncy the Panzer II’s armor is.

yes, all we need is thinner armor on the Panzer II and it’ll be much more balanced. Even if it’s not a late 2C just replace it with another killable model.

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A/B would have 14.5mm armor but have a drastically different looking model. They were also never used in Moscow, as the C was the main production model from 1938 onwards.

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we have the IIIB don’t we?
and I find it hard to believe that IIBs wouldn’t make it to the eastern front. Nobody in WWII had the luxury to pull all old models off the front at once to be retrofitted.

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Which SHOULD be removed and replaced with a Pz35/38t as it was not used in Moscow.

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do agree on adding Czech panzers instead, though I want to take a closer look at the armor stats first to make sure they wouldn’t be lowkey OP.

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38t A would be 25mm with a 37 kwk38(t) with up to 60mm pen on APHE.
35t would be 25mm as well, but with a kwk34 that has up to 55mm pen on APHE

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All right you will got it

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The whole T-34 KV argument is anecdotal to the Panzer II argument to begin with.

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now thinking the kv could work if done properly, if the Russians are losing really hard then they get a kv to try and turn the game around and the krauts need to have some teamwork to bring it down

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Vote is below

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mp 41 is definitely op. As for the PZ2 i havent been playing that much but the times i do have a tank in my lineup it was pretty strong

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built him the time machine so he can verify it

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Apperantly I am not member of Enlisted so I cannot vote.
Imo Pz2 could be changed to the earlier variant that had like 20mm frontal armor, to just satisfy the Soviet mains I suppose.
Mp41 can get nerfed with horizontal recoil.
Rifles should be made more uniform, as the damage reduction is a bit too punishing for the firerate it gets in return imo.
45mm HE is fine, 37mm HE should be replaced with its historically accurate shell, instead of the outdated one, which should bring both on par.
MG13 could do with more recoil, unless deployed. All of the MGs need to be able to be deployed.

And to add to this: Add Pz35t/38t (38t would be more accurate) as replacement for Pz3B. Would be great addition and would finally get rid of the historically inaccurate tank we got rn.

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[poll name=poll1 type=multiple min=1 max=5 results=always chartType=bar groups=trust_level_3]

  • Pz II is extremely hard to penetrate by T-60 in
    armour and got to be balanced
  • Mp41 is very effective at middle distance left no chance to counter it with a su SMG
  • Rifles have a little difference in a rate of fire, damage and handy scope but feels mostly balanced.
  • HE 45 mm shell of BT-7 have much damage then it’s been in historical terms. It’s HE damage got to be reduced
  • 45mm HE is fine, 37mm HE should be replaced with its historically accurate shell, instead of the outdated one, which should bring both on par.
  • MG13 can fire almost 3-4 rounds while you stay without recoil which makes it best me in game for now
  • Add Pz35t/38t (38t would be more accurate) as replacement for Pz3B. Would be great addition and would finally get rid of the historically inaccurate tank we got rn.
    [/poll]
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I have no experience using the MG13 so I would need to see a video on it.

I’m leery on the claim because someone also said the drum PPD has no recoil when I know from my own experience it has about as much recoil as the box PPD.

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It had 26-27g of explosive according to another post on the forum (which is the only thing I’ve seen in my hour or two of looking for data on it) so trying to give it parity with the 45mm’s 118-135g is idiotic.
Do you happen to have a source on the filler of the 3.7cm Sprgr.Patr.34?

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Ive been saying this a long time now but the all standard bolts (the kar and mosin) should 15dmg. then the light bolt actions (the g33/40 and whatever the russian one is) should stay at 13 with a faster bolt time.

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Honest to god if you give the mosins and kars the same firerate I’d be more inclined to play Germany simply due to the fact that the rapid bolting looks spastic and puts me off