Friends?
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yes
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I promise not to bring up the paratroopers if you donāt
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Nice. We can ride this ship together 
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I already made my case. So Iām done with it 
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well i know that is not instant, i already used para. but still they are jumping in few seconds after spawn and most people dont actually pay attention behind left and right flanks. they are jumping in blind spot and they are hard to kill unless you are really close to their drop zone.
like i said i like their uniqueness, but they need counter/nerf with longer time to jump. currently they are just high reward, no risk squad in hands of veteran.
Ummā¦most of the major paratrooper drops were right ontop of enemy forces. That was the nature of being a paratrooper.
Americans at normandy and the british at arnhem faired no better than the germans at crete.
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There is a very short list of premium squads that are actually meta choices, and the paratroopers are probably at the top of it.
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This game has a squad system, so it is okay to be more realistic like hll
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In order to have realistic para landings, we need bigger maps.
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No. Honestly peak enlisted where everyone has everything unlocked is peak trash.
AP mines, AF and full auto spam, kamikazes every 10 seconds, arty constantly falling, gray zone tank campers.
The game right now is garbage, but you can get a good match if you get a few good players and more intermediate players, so it isnt such a sweat fest
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It absolutely does not work in WT either. At thatās not counting the broken as hell matchmaker and certain BR ranges where you will easily get uptiered 9/10.
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i would disagree with thisā¦ battle of crete was massacre for german paratroopers. idk if there was any allied landing that was anywhere near as bad as german paratrooper landings in crete.
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I would say Dnieper 1943. Bad intel, bad weather, flew straight thru heavy AA AND enemy fighters, and dropped scattered with a good chunk of paratroopers landing straight on the 19th Panzer Division. Iirc combat losses were around 60-80% in the first few hours. Think Klendathu invasion except with panzers instead of bugs.
i guess i would agree. not that versed in eastern front, specially their paratrooper operations, so i overlooked this. when you are dropping directly on enemy paratrooper survivability goes way down.
Battle of crete germans lost just over 30% of their force
Normandy airborne lost around 40% of their force
Numbers vary slightly on both accounts, but compare consistantly.
Germans found it unnacceptable and ceased. Allies continued.
battle of crete was combined assault of paratroopers and mountain troops. paratroopers were massacred when they jumped on active battlefield.
normandy paratroopers had low % of losses on d-day (around 15-20%), but incurred losses on follow up fights where they behaved like normal infantry.
battle of maleme
The Germans suffered many casualties in the first hours of the invasion: a company of III Battalion, 1st Assault Regiment lost 112 killed out of 126 men, and 400 of 600 men in III Battalion were killed on the first day
Most of the parachutists were engaged by New Zealanders defending the airfield and by Greek forces near Chania. Many gliders following the paratroops were hit by mortar fire seconds after landing, and the New Zealand and Greek defenders almost annihilated the glider troops who landed safely.
Some paratroopers and gliders missed their objectives near both airfields and set up defensive positions to the west of Maleme Airfield and in āPrison Valleyā near Chania. Both forces were contained and failed to take the airfields, but the defenders had to deploy to face them.
battle of heraklion
Those German units dropping near Heraklion suffered very high casualties, both from ground fire and upon landing. Those dropping further away were severely hampered by armed Cretan civilians.
battle of rethymo
Those German units dropping near the Allied suffered very high casualties, both from ground fire and upon landing.
overall when they landed correctly they were massacred, when they missed they survived.
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I know the history of military operations and their course. I know that the paratroopers often and densely fell straight into the opposing forces. But I mean scale. That one plane flies and drops komadofoks.
I mean more of a system, a mechanic where players would have to get together in 3-5 to use airborne, otherwise they would deploy them like any other infantry.
Iām not sure what point youāre trying to make.
I doubt the whole 30% of the German forces were Lost only during the jump/landing phase, and then took no losses during the next 13 days of battle on the ground. And as you say, counted in these losses are also mountain troops, they didnt paradrop.
15-20% at normandy on the first day looks comparable to me.
Either way you look at it, Normandy Airborne fared no better. (and they jumped under cover of dark and armed, Fallschirmjagers jumped daylight (onto an enemy that knew they were coming thanks to code breakers), mostly with a knife and a pistol)
I was more commenting on the opinion that paratroopers didnt do hot drops.
and as for scale, we have 10 players simulating a battle on either side, So one player represent 10% of forces applied to a battle. If you look at it proportion wise (and the fact that its a game), It sort of is en masse.
I dont see how having to wait for half you team to select paratroopers to spawn would work?