I play Normandy Allies and I use the Sherman 75 all the time and I’m just wondering if the devs ever plan on adding hull gunners.
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I want my damn stabilizers bruh
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There are hull machine gunners already, but I guess not in every tank.
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They were not really a thing IRL, I know some folks seem to think they were used every day and commonplace, but they were rarely used irl, and might be destabilizing if implemented, no pun intended 
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Well I guess it’s a good thing I don’t give a shit about what you think then and want them implemented anyways.
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Didn’t I beat your ass in the game yesterday? Or was that someone else?
Source?
They were used en mass by the troops following the trainings though, we have had this argument already. Your sources literally contradicted your claim but you still push on with this. Can I inquire as to why?
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Think we’re just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one, it is clear that they started to train on them, but it wasn’t until middle of 44 at best, and there is no number, suggesting how many were being trained just that they started to be, the big issue here, of course. Is that pretty much everybody that was in Europe, or on the way to Europe at the time was not trained in their use or maintenance.
So as most of my references, Stete, when they do mention them, they say they were rarely if ever used because nobody knew how to operate them or maintain them.
There’s lots of sources that say this, a quick Internet search will provide you with plenty of information
Again, no one mentions anything if it is working well. If you actually look at those complaints, they slow down over the course of 1944 starting in April (so no, it was not the middle of 1944, it was early 1944) until they practically disappear by D-day, coinciding with the training.
So you don’t actually know, ok.
Anyway, I’m looking forward to working hull machine guns and stabilizers for Shermans since they were real and effectively used sitting the time periods presented in-game.
Of course I know that’s why I wrote it.
I had to research it for a project. I was working on a couple of years ago, the systems weren’t being used because nobody was trained on their use, and nobody knew how to maintain them.
There are some units that did make some use of them, but for the most part, the systems went unused throughout the entire war, because there was no trust in them, and they were misunderstood.
Since the game doesn’t model maintenance or training issues I don’t see how it’s relevant if some units didn’t use them.
Maybe when they introduce mechanical breakdowns and spalling from poorly manufactured armor, they can look at the issues they had with stabilizers in the early war
The game doesn’t do realistic to begin with, so as you say, there’s probably no reason for them not to add them, but using the argument that they were widely used, It’s just something that bugs me because it’s not true, kind of like these games giving US tanks, HVAP rounds that was so rare that the average rate of issue was one round per tank per month that’s imbuing US 76 mm tanks with the ability to kill German cats that they didn’t really have during the war.
And while that may well be good for gameplay, something like the stabilizer, that only one side would have is probably not going to be good for gameplay and it’s not something that could really be argued as a Normal every day piece of equipment, because even though it was in the tank, it was simply not use that much
Yeah dude I’m sure those poor panthers and tigers are going to become useless if the sherman gets the stabilizer it had irl. You are a clown.
Accuracy and mobility are two of the major advantage American tanks have vs the better armed and armored German heavies. I’d argue that giving Shermans stabilizers would help balance their guns generally poor performance against heavy to armor.
That’s a great thread about stabilizers, it seems to imply that by late 1943 they had resolved the training and maintenance issues and crews looked at them favorably.
With the way they’ve implemented hull MGs here, I don’t think you’d want them for anything other than some variation of roleplay. Having to switch seats to use it is too unnoying and clumsy for the range tanks are forced to fight at.
Again with this source? Again, Chieftain literally debunks what you state there, but if you need more proof, follow your own advice and look up “Sherman stabilizer” on the internet, or take out any book in the library about the Sherman. All of them note that the complaints slowed and eventially stopped once the trainings happened.
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