As a player almost a fan of Italy, I don’t like the lost of the regular and premium Italian squads,
and I also understand that German players do not want to go through an Italian weapon to have their weapons.
Creating an Italian faction is a mistake, since it would separate matchmaking, which would prevent many of us from playing with our friends and also lose a lot of progress.
How to solve:
1: differentiated sub faction, everything Italian is lower than German, like their own trees, so as not to make the tree too wide, you can put most things in folders. having their own premium squads
2: his own faction, but joining Germany in all games
It does not have to be this way, if I interpreted that correctly.
The second option would lock you out of useing any of the german equipment, while the first one still has both availabe to you at the same time.
You would get an entire italian TT of content ( if DF can be bothered to create one) and it looks like the intention of OP was to remove italian weapons from germany in scenario 2.
The creation of a new Italian faction is, in my opinion, the perfect solution, especially from the developers’ perspective. It would generate a lot of “new” content by simply transferring or copying elements from the German tech tree into the Italian one. Most of the current Italian weapons would be removed from the German tech tree, leaving only purchased items, similar to how it was handled with weapons from Stalingrad.
Another amazing advantage of creating an independent Italian faction is that Italians would share matchmaking with Germans in the following cases:
Tunisia
Stalingrad
And potentially in future campaigns such as Italy, Sicily, or Greece.
However, Italians would NO longer fight or share matchmaking with Germans in:
Normandy
Ardennes
Berlin
This would finally put an end to the ridiculous situation where Italians fight in places where they have no historical involvement and wear German uniforms to “mask” this illogicality!
And say what you will, but once the developers run out of material for the existing tech trees, they will inevitably start adding new ones, with the Italians and British being the first in line. This happened in WoT, it happened in WT, and it will happen in Enlisted. Italian and British tech trees were initially outright dismissed, but now the response is “it’s not planned for now.” Why do you think that is? The Italian and British trees will happen.
Won’t happen. As devs can simply start to fully support minor nations (for example italy) as sub faction for current existing tech trees.
Which they’re kinda planning to do. We already know they are planning to add option to change nationalities of soldiers we already own.
Lol. So now you’re saying we should be celebrating copy paste lol.
Yeah, extremely user friendly thing. Cannot wait to grind stuff I already grinded several times. (It definitely was fun to grind German AT launchers in 3 tech trees. Very exciting)
Yes, let’s take away the ability from players to create mixed lineups due to the introduction of a completely unnecessary tech tree with copied items. That’s a great idea.
Definitely way more user friendly than to fully integrate this “new” faction to already existing tech tree. And keep all the benefits we always had.
Yeah, that would definitely work. Basically old campaign system but with tech trees. Matchmaking would be definitely happy.
No, they can simply start adding sub factions to current existing tech tree .
Which is kinda what they’re slowly starting to do.
Italian, British, French, Chinese… Minor nations simple weren’t main focus. Devs had plenty of work to do after the merge. Priorities were somewhere else.
But it’s not like we are not going to get proper for British (or any other minor nation) unless it has its own tech tree. That’s not how it works.
Enlisted is not WoT nor WT.
But it’s funny you mentioned WT. Because that game literally has minor nations in the form of sub factions that are part of the main nations tech trees.
This is pure lie. British tech tree was one the first added to WoT.
Just like British faction was added to enlisted before French or Chinese. It’s not like DF is dismissing idea of British faction. They are just dissmissing the idea of British faction having a sepere tech tree.
Your fabrications are starting to be kinda annoying.
Yes, yes, it’s clear that they are diligently working on a simple nationality change. They didn’t even bother creating Italian models for the lower BR paratroopers with Italian Berettas and just turned them into Germans, even though at first, they briefly and oddly claimed on the forum that they were Italians. To this day, we don’t even have summer Italian uniforms anywhere other than in Tunisia. They literally neglected building up the Italians within the German tech tree. Why is that? Because they realize that an Italian tech tree will be needed someday, so why would they bother with the current Italians under Germany?
If I were to get an entirely new Italian tech tree finally separated from Germany, I wouldn’t mind at all starting all the research from scratch. On the contrary, I’d actually hope that the research doesn’t simply “transfer” from the German tree and that half of the tree (exported from the GER tech tree) wouldn’t already be unlocked. Moreover, I’d really enjoy playing as Italians only in the battles where they actually fought, without constantly being thrown into the Ardennes and Normandy. Finally, my Italian squads wouldn’t be disguised as Germans in 90% of the matches.
Mixed lineups? Realistically, most players create nationality-based lineups anyway. They either go exclusively with Italians or exclusively with German squads. Maybe someone will throw the Italian paratroopers from the event into their German lineup… But in general, most people either like Germans and stick to them, considering the Italian gear more of a hindrance, or they want to play as Italians and view the German gear as equally inconvenient.
I get the feeling you don’t play as Italy very often, otherwise, you’d know how frustrating it is to fight as Italy for the umpteenth time in the Ardennes, Normandy, or Rzhev—and on top of that, most of your Italian squads look like regular Germans. It seems to me that the majority of players who primarily play as Germany want to keep Italy in the tree just so these players fill matchmaking gaps where they normally wouldn’t be if there were an independent Italian tree.
Enlisted wasn’t like War Thunder as long as the campaigns were in place. Since the Merge, they’ve turned themselves into WT with infantry, and the transition to tech trees will inevitably lead to adding more nations over time (and yes, there will be copying, of course) to satisfy players who will feel the lack of new content in the existing trees. Unless they go into the future, but for the love of God… let’s hope not.
And regarding minor nations as sub-factions in WT, we’re not talking about a small nation like Hungary, which is part of Italy in WT. We’re talking about Italy itself, which has its own tech tree in WT. Hm?
The problem is that you misunderstood me. I was talking about DF’s statements regarding the Italian tech tree in Enlisted, not about WoT or WT.
Why do you mind that people want more options and to play as the nations they like? Instead of being forced to play as some multicultural, mixed “Western Axis” or “Western Allies”?
I won’t even bother reading the rest. This was enough for me.
If you’re using bad customization as some kind of gotcha point, it’s really hilarious
In case you haven’t noticed, bad customization is a problem for the main nations as well. Like the Germans have VS outside of Berlin. Majority of their stuff doesn’t have complete matching sets etc etc.
From what we can see, customization was definitely their priority for the past year (irony).
But I guess in your world, bad customization is some kind of proof that Italy tech tree is planned xDDD Even though Devs said at least 3 times that nothing like that is planned.
If you want to live in you disillusion, okay whatever. That’s your problem.
It’s not the first time the helpers have made a mistake. They probably confused the squad with an old Italian para squad. Makes a lot more sense than your conspiracy theory.
It would be no problem for the developers to take an existing Italian para outfit and simply choose a different colour combination as the default one for the new squad.
But there is literally nothing that indicates the new BR1 para squad was supposed to be Italian. Other than old wrong assumption by one helper.
Your disdain for anyone who wants to modify the game differently than you prefer is amusing. Not to mention, you’re twisting what I wrote. Discussion is clearly impossible. What a shame.
It’s curious that this kind of people always have such strong statements. But they never bother to elaborate on them.
What a surprise, I don’t like when someone glorifies copy paste and is pushing other anti-user agendas (Like taking away option to make mixed lineups from the players.)
So I’ll logically oppose stuff I don’t like.
Or can’t one have a negative attitude towards something anymore? Probably not thumbs down is already banned everywhere. The only thing acceptable is brainded approval or being quiet.
I agree with everything here, thank you for your comment.
Like with UK-Commonwealth that was one of my concerns, the Allied tech tree is full already and having folders everywhere is just plain silly.
A separate tree would allow the devs to add more British tech over time, like there’s lots of tanks and planes missing, but also Commonwealth tech and squads
and further along the line weapons from countries like Greece or Norway which fought alongside the Allies but dont have enough for a tree of their own.
Also as you alluded to it would be great having Germans, Italians, Americans and British in their correct battles. Not only would it make for instance Normandy more correct, but it also means that in future we could have
(using USA and UK-Commonwealth trees as an example)
Phillipines (USA only)
Singapore (UK, Australia, New Zealand only)
Lae (USA and Australia, as apart of the UK-Commonwealth tree, together)
Years ago I would have agreed with you, but I think it would divide matchmaking too much, and I feel like I wouldn’t be able to play with my friends. I still believe that it is simpler to have Italy as a more differentiated sub-faction
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was enough for me.