honestly when i saw stalingrad costumization i had a laugh, mostly because of german ushankas and their brown uniforms and ppsh41, i didn’t know i had to play the bad copy of “hitman”
I also hope that this will be fixed and not made worse. Worse yet, if they add customization to other campaigns and allow for this kind of bullshit… I’m honestly never going to touch this game again. What’s the point of having campaigns and trying to represent e.g early, mid or late war if you’re just gonna give late war 1944 camo in Stalingrad?? The uniforms and equipment are already largely inaccurate across the board, adding this much freedom will destroy it. Unless, they add actual historical period accurate cosmetics.
I mean, where are the backpacks? canteens? bandoliers? unit insignia?
The German army had been using camouflage clothes and camouflage blouses since the beginning of the war, but the producers ignored those early camouflages and chose the more famous pea camouflage.
This is the camouflage of Hermann Goering paratrooper armored division, but they belong to the Luftwaffe.
Regular Heer didn´t use any of the dot camoflages since those where ussually for the Waffen SS, they even had a patent on them. I´d use them with the coats so you can just imagine there correct uniforms are underneath.
The only camouflage that was available in Stalingrad to the Wehrmacht was Splittertarnmuster. In this case there are customisations available with the Heres Splittertarn '31.
The most ubiquitous representation of this pattern was in the Zeltbahn roll up tent quarter that each infantryman was equipped with. But as the source above mentions many were adapted to uniforms from April '42.
I have used this pattern on some of the Assault Roles or MG roles in some of the squad line ups to simulate experienced soldiers.
The Zeltbahn tents were actually using Splittertarn or the aforementioned Heeres Splittertarn '31. The photo from above is likely to be Splittertarn and as I mentioned there were some issues of helmet covers, smocks or even entire uniforms from as early as April '41.
The fact that this practice was not widespread may have been anecdotally related to what you write.
I haven’t really done any research into this per se, but there are also equally anecdotal references in books of Landsers making helmet camouflage out of damaged Zeltbahn tents.
The only concern I have is that the devs might have implemented the Luftwaffen-Splittermuster 41 (also: Buntfarbenaufdruck) is a Luftwaffe version with a smaller splinter and a more-complicated pattern, from probably not earlier than 1941.
You don’t disappoint me because I don’t have any expectations of you, other than engaging in an interesting conversation.
I said nothing about SS camouflage, I think you’re misreading something. That was another poster.
Splittertarn '31 is the name of the camouflage pattern used by the Wehrmacht, just follow the link in the previous post.
I am somewhat surprised about the retarded statement about me not being there… Clearly not, but I assure you I can read, and so our dialogue is based on what both of us have clearly read. I’m happy to cite sources if it helps you, but the second half of your post goes off on such a tangent that I’m not sure I can bring you back to a sensible conversation.
So to reiterate, the camouflage pattern you show and is historically established to have been used on both the Wehrmacht zeltbahn (tent quarters) and from April’42 various factory made camouflage uniforms/pieces thereof (inc Helmet covers. It is called Heeres (Army ) Splittertarn, and was developed in 1931 hence its reference.
It may have been used by units which were part of Army group B - ie those that ultimately went into Stalingrad.
Here you go, reached for a “book” and found you an actual historical reference of Splittertan '31 camouflage helmet covers used by the Wehrmacht, from Jason D Mark’s Angriff.
On page 156 there is a photo of a 3.7 cm Pak36 crew from 13 Inf Regt 518 wearning Splittertarn '31 covered helmets dated Oct 14 1942 taken in the streets of Stalingrad (Credit PK Herber - Ullstein-Bild 36004) on the next page there is a 5 cm Pak 38 crew from Pz Jag Abt 295 manhandling their gun into position (Credit PK Herber IWM HU 5167) - with primary references to boot.
I am not allowed to reproduce these so you can look them up in the appropriate sources.
