How I would improve the new BR system

The new BR system is a step in the right direction and a massive improvement over the “preferred map” system, but it still has its issues.

I am not talking about minor balancing issues. Such as what weapons deserve to be in what rating. That sort of balancing is part statistical, part subjective and can be tweaked over time as game play and practical use proves where they belong.

The primary issue is with how they decided to handle ques for BR 3 players. Putting them at either an advantage over BRs 1-2, or at a massive disadvantage against BRs 4-5.

This would result in many players deserting from battles where they are up against superior weaponry, seeking instead for more even or advantageous battles. (I also argue that BR 3 vs BR 5 is more unfair than BR 1 vs BR 3, but I will get back to that later. )

I think the solution is simple, split the player base into two ques:

1, 2, and 3

4 and 5

Rather than call them “battle ratings” they should instead call them something like “Standard” and “Elite” ques. While us veteran players will know what the ques actually are, many players will feel compelled to grind and sweat it out to play in the Elites. While everyone else can enjoy “standard.”

Now, as for why I think this is more fair;

While there is a massive difference in weaponry and equipment between teir 1 and tier 5…there is not that massive of a difference between tiers 1 and 3 or between 3 and 5. The weapons and equipment available to those tiers are close enough to be a fair match.

What is far more problematic is not the weaponry, but the vehicles. Tier 3 tanks are absolutely worthless against tier 5 tanks. They can not pen their armor and get one shot in return. They are also too slow to pull off a flank without being destroyed by infantry.

Tier 1-2 tanks however, are fast enough to pull off the daring flanks needed to kill tier 3 tanks. This makes the difference in power/tech between 1-3 far less egregious than the difference seen in 3-5.

Still, rating 3 players would have the advantage. So I would suggest ensuring that rating 1-2 players have easy access to Anti tank weapons. Perhaps lowering the BR for the various RPGs would be enough.

In summary:

The balance problem between the ratings are not the weapons so much as the vehicles. BR 3 can not really fight 5…but BR 1 can reasonably fight 3. Thus 1, 2, and 3 should be qued together for reasonable balance.

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12,23,34 and 45 or 12,34 and 5.

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your suggestion sounds about right,

soon it seems devs will have tier3 dilemma, and this is the way to go or at least try.

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I do not think its necessary to break ratings 1-3 into separate BR ques.

Since the game’s release, we have had people with tier 1 equipment fighting tier 5 equipment. They can handle Tier 3. The difference between them is not that great.

Also keep in mind that tier 1 is the tier people will grind past the fastest and will have the smallest player pool, entering into tier 2 and closing the distance onto tier 3 quickly. The devs will also be keeping the “new player pool” they already have. So its not like new players will be instantly fighting tier 3 stuff

Having a BR of 3,4 is not necessary. That is creating a whole other que for very little gain. Keeping it simple to just 2 main ques will be best for match making que times, one of their larger concerns. Let BR 4 help fill 5. They are close enough in power that any newer player who makes it to BR 4 will do fine.

Maybe when player count increases they can add a 3,4 BR.

edit: I want to remind people that match making does not only have to sort people by BRs, but by nations…and we might get even more nations down the line. Keeping BR to as few ques as possible is best. It will help under populated nations find games with less bots in them.

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It seems like they are going to stick with the 1,2,3 and 3,4,5 ques…

I wonder how much shock and surprise they will feign when people in BR3 desert their battles constantly. Or simply don’t play BR3…or the game at all for that matter.

I know I have no interest in low BR, and I have even less interest in fighting high BR against all the games worst balanced equipment. Some of the stuff is so powerful it should be put into a BR 6…

nope. difference between t1 and t3 is same as difference between t3 and t5. you have frontally impenetrable tanks and maps are shit for flanking if enemy is in gray zone.

problem only happens when you introduce new theaters and not new nations. so e.g. introducing italy and britain wont introduce any problems cause they will fight alongside US or germany. but e.g. introducing china vs japan will introduce aditional queues in MM.

Hello, you probably have not played much, but the tanks you see in BR 1 and BR 2 drive everywhere on the map and have no problem getting flanks in. Its their ability to do so that has kept them in use these last few years.

Also, BR 1 in the smallest/shortest tier on the tree. Most new players will be out of BR 1 within a week.

So far, we have not had battles where one team was multiple nations with different tech trees, but I suppose they might que them up to fight in the same battles. Like they do in war thunder.


you probably didnt play much if you think you can flank on most maps…

that is cause we didnt have tech tree. but we had multiple nations in one campaign fighting same side with their specific weapons.
e.g. british and US in tunisia, germany and italy in tunisia, british and uk in normandy.