How game is lying to us

[Liah_Kim]

2 years ago devs presented new realistic recoil system:

The dynamics of firearms in Enlisted - News - Enlisted

It is still in the game, but it is completely negated by shadow recoil reduction parameter - “gun_recoilControlMult”.

This parameter allows to change recoil, without showing it to players.
I guess, I don’t need to explain, why lying to anyone is bad, but how it is used in the game?

In case of LMGs its not that critical: -10%

But things become more interesting with SMGs - on most of them, be it PPSh-41, MP40 or Thompson recoil reduction is 60%!

And in most extreme cases - AVT40, Type 100 its 75% recoil decrease

So, this is what actual recoil of AVT-40 looks like:

Suggestion is simple - set “gun_recoilControlMult” to 1.0 or completely remove it from the game.
If recoil should be lowered (which, IMO, makes game boring), lower it so all players could see it, not only those, who can use editor.

[范_War_dog_范]

[VoyoMayPL]

I don’t see how “”""“beta”""" state of the game explains that devs basically lie about gun stats.

[范_War_dog_范]

Read the second line too

[VoyoMayPL]

? It has nothing to do with hiding stats.

It adreses things like for example bugged / unpolished damage models of tanks.

There is a big difference between “we are still working on this” and “we are lying about this”.

[范_War_dog_范]

The stats could be changed in other places than the actual guns you know?

@VoyoMayPL

“we are still working on this”

this means that they are not done wiith it yet.

[VoyoMayPL]

@WaR_Dog

The stats could be changed in other places than the actual guns you know?

Then why not simply change them normally instead of some hidden modifier?
If they want to ballance guns and change their recoil, just do it. Don’t hide it and don’t lie about stats.

(Yes, they are lying since they give us false values.)

@WaR_Dog

this means they are not done

“we are still working on improving this”

[范_War_dog_范]

@VoyoMayPL

Then why not simply change them normally instead of some hidden modifier?
If they want to ballance guns and change their recoil, just do it. Don’t hide it and don’t lie about stats.

How can you be sure they didnt? the whole shadow recoil reduction parameter, could be for internal use from the devs. when they need to test something, but still dont want to change the original files. There are also the fact that the soldier perks changes the weapon stats for each soldier, so there need to be a “base stat” and a “personal stat” for EACH of them. Same goes for each gun, as you upgrade them their stats changes, for each induvidual gun. And still you think that everything is seen in 1 file??

@VoyoMayPL

“we are still working on improving this”

As i said, this means that they are still working on it = not done.

[Liah_Kim]

@WaR_Dog

Same goes for each gun, as you upgrade them their stats changes, for each induvidual gun. And still you think that everything is seen in 1 file??

Just go to the polygon and compare AVT and SVT, what files are you even talking about?

[mergenthewise]

Other guns have no big problems but lmgs are harder to use than real life.

• decrease dispersion even more
• increase recoil to sky
  So prople wouldnt be able to use them like fricking smgs

[VoyoMayPL]

@WaR_Dog

How can you be sure they didnt?

Recoil changes are not that common in devblogs.

@WaR_Dog

the whole shadow recoil reduction parameter, could be for internal use from the devs.

Then it shouldn’t be published. End of story.

If they use those modifiers to live test changes, ok. But then why they don’t make it oficial afterwards?
It would be ok if it worked like this:

1. add recoil modifier to a weapon
2. see how players react
3. after a month make it an oficial change, change stats and return modifier to 1

Except it doesn’t seem to work like this.

@WaR_Dog

There are also the fact that the soldier perks changes the weapon stats for each soldier, so there need to be a “base stat” and a “personal stat” for EACH of them. Same goes for each gun, as you upgrade them their stats changes, for each induvidual gun. And still you think that everything is seen in 1 file??

I don’t see how this has anything in common with weapons having a recoil modifier that isn’t mentioned anywhere and is hidden from players.

There is a big difference between recoil modifiers based on game mechanics (like perks etc.) and recoil modifiers based on some hidden stat most players are unaware of.

@WaR_Dog

As i said, this means that they are still working on it = not done.

No they aren’t. The feature is already done.

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I guess I’ll end now.
If you like being lied to, ok it’s not my buisness. But please don’t try to convince ppl it’s ok.

[Liah_Kim]

• give constantly working bipods

[mergenthewise]

Hell yeah

[范_War_dog_范]

@VoyoMayPL

Then it shouldn’t be published. End of story.

Thats for them to decide, its their game… EOD

[VoyoMayPL]

But it doesn’t mean we have to be ok with being lied to.

[范_War_dog_范]

if its for internal use, and not for what you think it is, then you are not being lied to are you?

[Liah_Kim]

Just test it yourself

[VoyoMayPL]

@WaR_Dog

if its for internal use

@VoyoMayPL

Then it shouldn’t be published. End of story.

@WaR_Dog

not for what you think it is

@VoyoMayPL

It would be ok if it worked like this:

1. add recoil modifier to a weapon
2. see how players react
3. after a month make it an oficial change, change stats and return modifier to 1

Except it doesn’t seem to work like this.

@WaR_Dog

then you are not being lied to are you?

@VoyoMayPL

(Yes, they are lying since they give us false values.)

Something to add?

[VoyoMayPL]

@403076 Lets play a game.
I tell you my number is 4. What is my number?

[BandytaJeden]

Just don’t believe any fix or improvement at this point.

How many times You need to read fixed bot behaviour so they- don’t get in line of sight, don’t run out of building, how many more fixed bipods before You see it’s all smoke and mirrors