How Adding Clan related features only benefits them. However, Improving Mods & Custom matches will benefit everyone else and clans included

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@EVA_WhatsitTooya

I guess I don’t see it as a 0 sum game. I think both can be worked on concurrently (maybe I am delusional). I think the fixes for customs and proper modding support will require much more effort from DF. Current tools are extremely barebones and disappointing.

again, they don’t use the editor to make maps.

it’s more of a mission editor ( which no offense, but in yours endavour were and are more easier to do )

maps are made with sdks.

which they do have, and are reluctant to release.

i’m sorry, not to sound rude, or anything.

but you don’t even know half of it.

of modding.

EVERYTHING can be made. with just a little support of custom support.

which as proven, most is already there.

we will make yet another suggestion i guess. but it will be easier than clan content.
and i’m not saying it out of spite ( even though i am some who holds grudges. no denying that )

@EVA_WhatsitTooya

Meanwhile the clan system will likely be another import from WT where it’s just a clan tag + some social stuff that benefits everyone like squad messaging/DMs. This will take way less effort or time for DF than overhauling their customs/modding tools.

DF probs see the clan thing as an “easy” win so they put it on the plan (not even officially but as a consideration) to score some brownie points. Like you said, clans are a relatively small (but dedicated) group so if they don’t carry through, nothing is lost, and if they do they will get easy praise.

they failed to deliver even simple social features inspite of the " support ".

and you expect them to include clans?

now, as we both rebutted each other, may or may not be introduced.

but that’s just wild.

how about they finish what they actually started.

not a " gatcha " moment, no " we were here first ".
but as a principle.
for what modders deserves.
and above all, for what the people deserves.

they failed to make a map in time for this " major " ( recycler ) event for jets.

modders can, and would have done better.

but i’m getting on a side tangent here.

@EVA_WhatsitTooya

DF probs see the clan thing as an “easy” win so they put it on the plan (not even officially but as a consideration) to score some brownie points. Like you said, clans are a relatively small (but dedicated) group so if they don’t carry through, nothing is lost, and if they do they will get easy praise.

we both know that’s not true.

i’d like to remind you that the CM was more active with the people " of your kind " than have been more active to modders.

sure, you don’t have to reach to me.
i’m a meany hothead.

but i am not ALL the modders on the world.
i am not the one who only makes mod.

if you despise me or are too afraid because i can see through corporate bses as i do partake in such activity as well all day every goddamn week, at least elect someone to be a representative.
someone more trusted and more level headed.

instead, nothing of that kind.

so “forgive me”, but after 4 years it’s getting tiring.

people do not waste hours of ther time out of their day just to get ghosted by someone own agendas and priorities ( and says that he does have their backs when in reality it doesnt =.

especially when again, appeasing to a tiny minority.

it would be like if i’d ask for my favorite weapon to be buffed or change the appearance just for one of my favorite squads when there are much more important features or other general stuff that means alot more to way many more people then just a finite amount of people. it would be just out of touch and of bad taste. which i’m sorry to say, but that’s precisely what you guys are doing.
only thinking about yourselves and not at the grand scheme of pictures.

again, nothing stops you from gathering and make your own clans over custom matches.
like you kinda always have done.

alot of people cannot go over custom matches and try their favorite mods.
not even console players.

and worse, modders work hard for a mod that then doesn’t function because they ( devs ) refuse to aid with VERY simple fixes and allow custom content. the biggest game changer.
it’s bigger than me, you, your clan, and quite possibly even modders them selves.

just think about the infinite possibilities.
between you and me. i’m sorry. but clans are also likely to be the one who stastically will leave.

modders on the other hand, they are probably the most dedicated people out there.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@LokalHero

Dare what?

Enlighten me. Please.

Feel free to PM your concerns.

honestly, i was thinking you were about to close the thread

[LokalHero]

I don’t work like that.

Your thread is fine. You’re allowed to share your opinions.

It’s some of the replies I had an issue with.

I’m just here to keep the forum clean of certain rhetoric.

[ΟоinΚ]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

the same corporate talk from major mcdonald refuses to elaborate and just says " i don’t think X etc ".
yet he is the same alleged guy who is meant to be attached to the editor ( to his own words )

Everyone is getting the same corpo talk no matter what they are asking. Clearly there should be more clarity there. But a half answer is better than no answer. Phrase the question properly to at least get some answers . Like : we want the ability to upload custom textures. Is this something we can expect ?

No matter what he will answer you will get some clarity, no matter what he says.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

" we " ?

you are kidding me right?

that’s precisely the type of behavior i was critizing.

you people came late and take all the credits.

and you expect normal - composed answers?

i’d like to remind you that it was more of a collective effort than attribuited to clans alone.

that’s very disingenuous of you. especially after how many threads were made with enough support too.

ΟоinΚ:

My point is you shouldn’t care who and why it was changed. When we spent weeks on end trying to organise games to provide recordings and everything, we didn’t do it for the credit, we did it to make the game better overall.
Nobody from the clan scene cares who made the change possible, nobody minds everyone is benefiting from the change. Pretty sure everyone is happy that things changed for the better.

So why do you keep scores? It really bothers you that we helped things change instead of being happy we share a same goal so we both benefited from it.

You say we came late and took the credit. But how did you go about when you asked for things to be improved? Did you ask for the custom servers stability exactly? Did you provide clogs and recordings from multiple maps in multiple days on different server regions? If you didn’t, you really shouldn’t mind me saying that we made that change. I hope you did what I said earlier when you said it was a combined effort, if not, you have no right to be confrontational about it.

By what you said, the only effort from your side was in the form of likes on a thread while we did all the grunt work. Please explain exactly what you did

But again, we, the people who did all that don’t care who made the change happen, I was telling you we made the change happen just to show you we can work together and have both sides happy in the end. I for one couldn’t care less if in the future you are the person who made the servers even better if I can benefit from it. I would even thank you , not keep scores

[romario_aguila-psn]

@Sir-Clayton

Dont put yourself up that high my lil boy. You arent anything special, neither is the circus you are apart of. I make work clowning you lot in the game atm. Guess that clan amounts to nothing eh? I wonder now whats the purpose of the ‘clan’ part of this post?

Hey tell me if you can reply oh wait lmfao

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@ΟоinΚ

Everyone is getting the same corpo talk no matter what they are asking. Clearly there should be more clarity there. But a half answer is better than no answer. Phrase the question properly to at least get some answers . Like : we want the ability to upload custom textures. Is this something we can expect ?

No matter what he will answer you will get some clarity, no matter what he says.

now that i come to think about it:

pretty ironic, isn’t it.

" long term objectives ".

pretty much tells you that enlisted cannot grow.

( by the way, you can find these answers over the modders discord )

so… i’m not sure asking the right questions to the wrong person can lead anywhere.

as they say, actions speaks louder than words i suppose.

and so far, it’s not looking great for modders.

or, those who plays customs regularly.

@ΟоinΚ

My point is you shouldn’t care who and why it was changed. When we spent weeks on end trying to organise games to provide recordings and everything, we didn’t do it for the credit, we did it to make the game better overall.
Nobody from the clan scene cares who made the change possible, nobody minds everyone is benefiting from the change. Pretty sure everyone is happy that things changed for the better.

So why do you keep scores? It really bothers you that we helped things change instead of being happy we share a same goal so we both benefited from it.

as much “we are on the same boat”, in terms of how much time is being spent behind our own creations ( … though you know what i think ) you don’t see modders attacking others or being generally rude. ( except me i guess ) more than you see clans taking credits as score points.

believe me, i’m not the one scoring points, but i’m good at keep track.

which again, modders have been way longer around.

@ΟоinΚ

You say we came late and took the credit. But how did you go about when you asked for things to be improved? Did you ask for the custom servers stability exactly? Did you provide clogs and recordings from multiple maps in multiple days on different server regions?

yes.
yes.
and YES.

COUNTLESS TIME.

Custom matches improvements required 2.0

a bit of context well, here we are at it ( more like, I ) again. as a last attempt, to make custom matches an actual: yet, unironically, since that statements, not many substantial improvements were made. ( not to hate or pick on james of course, he doesn’t make the decisisons nor we should " pitch fork " him for what he says. he has good intents i’d think, which he wasn’t the only one. but just as an example of what i’m trying to say/tackle ) quite the opposite actually happened. since the…

Custom Matches - Improvements

a bit of context: greetings. this is my attempt to make custom matches more user friendly, and improve them under certain circumstances. make improvements for it’s use and make them a bit better. if i have to be honest, the current system it’s functional, and very well made ( unlike many others things that i had to test in the past ) although, i think it could benefict a few improvements. keep in mind that this is just a suggestion based on my, and some user opinions. therefore it’s not mandat…

and my own bug report thing is flooded with reports left and right.

as much back in the alpha they gave these " Enlisted Tester " to those who joined early one mine isn’t just there for show.

i didn’t sticked around for 5 years doing absolutely nothing and just complaing without offering solutions, make bug reports, suggestions etc.
( you can check my own forum page )

@ΟоinΚ

you really shouldn’t mind me saying that we made that change. I hope you did what I said earlier when you said it was a combined effort, if not, you have no right to be confrontational about it.

that’s the other point.

i always make sure to know all sides and details.

i don’t go around claiming things that i never did.
( which some of the U45N and also Eva members do on a daily ).

and most don’t even contribute much beside their EPP contest.

@ΟоinΚ

By what you said, the only effort from your side was in the form of likes on a thread while we did all the grunt work. Please explain exactly what you did

• made bug reports since 2020
• countless suggestions since 2020
• actively tried to reach out to many developers and even all 5 CM ( Keofox, the other fox, mamov, james groove and the newly acquired Major )
• proceed to aid in the creation of the modding group and… modding “clan”
• proceed to aid others in their mods with profiles, custom weapons, vehicles and much more. ( such as yopsius for his modern conflict. with few weapons such as drum AKs,

i am no pushover, believe me.

i could ask you the same question.
but barely helps me or you.

@ΟоinΚ

But again, we, the people who did all that don’t care who made the change happen, I was telling you we made the change happen just to show you we can work together and have both sides happy in the end. I for one couldn’t care less if in the future you are the person who made the servers even better if I can benefit from it. I would even thank you , not keep scores

you see, i didn’t used to " undermine " clans such as clans undermined everyone else and tried to assert themselves.

i didn’t called other toxic for no reason.
matter of fact, this thread alone provided every single point i made.

yet most didn’t even realized.

as much i’m very happy to share with proud common achievements, i am one keeping score for those who misbehave and takes all the credit where they were just one of many people.

just… bloated ego.
and would you look at that, what most Clans stands for either way.

again, not all of them, but the usual ones gives a bad wrap to every single other out there.

[BluePapaya69]

Dear ErikaKalkbrenner,

Since i read your post from the beginning to the end, here are my cons and clarifications as a clan player as u would call me. As i can understand you are making a point about mods not getting enough attention and help from devs as they would deserve. (u are right)

„Mods should get priority over clan content because of the sheer scale of content that modders can provide for everyone else.”

But for some strange reason you are trying to compare the needs of clans and mods because of ……? i am sorry if i don’t get your point of view but i don’t see why this minor community is on the opposite side of the scale for you. But

• devs are not wasting resources to please us because they are not doing anything to call the ig clan system to life XD so jokes on u i guess

• You stated that we don’t see these awesome modder people looking for validation….Well first of all why the hell do you think i don’t see it??? Of course everybody should appreciate the work they do.

So we cleared the first half. Conclusion neither mods or clans get enough help currently from devs. Well clans don’t get any but….cool

So lets continue.

„the reason why i’m against the introduction of clan related features at this current moment in time.

mostly because most of the time said clans poison the well for everyone else.

( primarily talking about the U45N, and / or Eva Pro players posers )”

According to your statement you also have a personal reason: you think we poison the well for everyone else. So you are against the help of devs to clans because of your personal reasons

„as soon you give them a hand, they’ll take your arm next. and then starts demanding for more. which quite frankly, as much i enjoyed competitive games when they used to be good”

I am sorry if u had a bad experience in the past i really am, but you are trying to convince everyone that the players you don’t like and don’t attract many players to the game or appease more people than modders don’t deserve a name tag because the other players u appreciate ( and so does everyone else btw) don’t get enough. Who is obnoxious again? XD

„modders never asked for those, and so shouldn’t clan.”

Well if modders don’t want a special name tag they don’t….but i hope u are smart enough to understand this comparison just doesn’t make sense.

„enlisted was borned as a casual game. always has been and always will be.”

Well as i can see more than 90% of the time you meet casual players on the battlefield so its still is because they don’t play hardcore by any means. And everybody is fine with that I think so are u. And also they dont read this my friend…

To summarize:

You decided that its a nice day to take your keyboard and start an argument on friday night potentially ending with a drama about the fact that the minority of the clan players don’t deserve what didn’t even got yet, because the modders are not appreciated enough, although they bring much more content to the game and appease more people of all sort supporting the game significantly with that, also mentioning on the way that you hate clans and pro players because they are not playing like you would like….

I mean If you want to make drama for tonight just ask as i can see u kinda got it by now….XD

And if u read this I also appreciate if your cons if u have any… I mean u probably will but whatever….XD Just always remember that whatever you are trying to achieve with this writing just ends up keeping a drunk guy awake and nothing more XD

Wish you the best. xxx

[ΟоinΚ]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

made bug reports since 2020

Then it is likely it is all about the person relying the information. Maybe until Major came along, no other CM played the game enough to emphasize to the developers the importance of being able to play on custom servers, so it can be just a coincidence that they finally listened when we did tens of bug reports .

@ErikaKalkbrenner

you see, i didn’t used to " undermine " clans such as clans undermined everyone else and tried to assert themselves.

Can you explain how are clans toxic at times? In my almost 2 years of enlisted, I often see people hating or disregarding clan members on the forum just for being in a clan, but I don’t see the other way around happening. I have honestly never witnessed a moment where clan members say : your opinion doesn’t matter but ours do because we are in a clan.
Do you know that almost daily there is a guy commenting in game about how he much he hates us for just playing the game?
Had you posted this thread without any references to clans what so ever, I am pretty sure nobody would have argued with you.

Going back to your topic, maybe they just aren’t allowed to make the sdk public, maybe they are afraid people will use the content they already created and take ownership of it. So let’s say they can’t / won’t make the sdk public, what other solution is there besides reworking the mod tool like I mentioned earlier?

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@BluePapaya69

But for some strange reason you are trying to compare the needs of clans and mods because of ……? i am sorry if i don’t get your point of view but i don’t see why this minor community is on the opposite side of the scale for you. But

greetings, a new challenger has approached

jokes aside, my main “gripes” were primarily the lack of care given from developers.
mostly attributed to the newly acquired CM. ( a bit of a oversimplifcation from both parts. but let’s bear with it for a moment ) only fued by the same person who claims to be on modder side when in reality has done very little or showed for beside " i play mods ".
… thanks? i guess?

despite his alleged support, very little has changed since he has been in charge of passing feedbacks.
and i shouldn’t probably say this, but whatever. a developer who actively reached out ( no, not snowie ) tells us that not much is getting through. which pretty much contradicts what major stated.
and when you actually bring it up, he either gives some chat gpt type answer ( i’m not claiming he is using it. but it just sounds like it )

yet, all of a sudden, with the same CM who doesn’t shy away from clans ( as he hosted them and used to ) gets attention and would you look at that, on the road map appears that clans might are a considered feature.

so, yeah, i kinda take it personally, and a disrespect to both modders and gamers who deserves better.

and when you make uncomfortable questions, the clans will actually start to be rude, tells you that you are the problem and generally not thinking logically.

or how it’s your problem.
despite being the most selfish people out there.

@BluePapaya69

devs are not wasting resources to please us because they are not doing anything to call the ig clan system to life XD so jokes on u i guess

except they are

it might come as a shocker but,

clans < people who play customs on a daily

@BluePapaya69

You stated that we don’t see these awesome modder people looking for validation….Well first of all why the hell do you think i don’t see it??? Of course everybody should appreciate the work they do.

well, no.

most modding thread gets overshadowed by noisy people demanding for their faction to be stronger than the opposition. but that’s nor there nor here.

which, used to be respected, but the newly acquired CM did not bothered with mods digest despite having layed out most ideas of how they used to work.

but, i am giving the benefit of the doubt on the time schedules.

considering that we used to have 4 Active Cms to 2 ( of which, one for the most part, only deals in the russian forum ) i can let it slide.

but then again, why bothering saying that you are " actively working on it " and then proceed to do nothing for 4 months straigt?

@BluePapaya69

So we cleared the first half. Conclusion neither mods or clans get enough help currently from devs. Well clans don’t get any but….cool

except they do.

because unlike mods ( WHOM haven’t been considered since 2 years ) they did not received any mentions on any roadmaps.

yet clans did.

so get your fact straight.

@BluePapaya69

„the reason why i’m against the introduction of clan related features at this current moment in time.

mostly because most of the time said clans poison the well for everyone else.

( primarily talking about the U45N, and / or Eva Pro players posers )”

According to your statement you also have a personal reason: you think we poison the well for everyone else. So you are against the help of devs to clans because of your personal reasons

„as soon you give them a hand, they’ll take your arm next. and then starts demanding for more. which quite frankly, as much i enjoyed competitive games when they used to be good”

no.
i do believe in finishing what one has started.

aka, devs claims mod support?

then bloody finish what you have already started.
instead of being an ADHD kid behind a butterfly.

also, i specifically said that not all clans are like that.
just the majority.
in which i am not even remotely wrong.

but way to miss the point.

@BluePapaya69

I am sorry if u had a bad experience in the past i really am, but you are trying to convince everyone that the players you don’t like and don’t attract many players to the game or appease more people than modders don’t deserve a name tag because the other players u appreciate ( and so does everyone else btw) don’t get enough. Who is obnoxious again? XD

“xd”

again, i am not the one who seek for recognition from others, nor game tags nor a social system that will be mostly pointless as you and your clan already uses discord.

it weights 0 value.

beside, i don’t care of what most clans do.

but i do get a kick to retort against said " bullies ".

and remind them of their proper place.

@BluePapaya69

„modders never asked for those, and so shouldn’t clan.”

Well if modders don’t want a special name tag they don’t….but i hope u are smart enough to understand this comparison just doesn’t make sense.

i do understand that modders provide more content than clans will ever be able to provide.

that, i can much understand.

how you cannot, it’s beyond my understanding.

but i do recognize the classic behavior of needing to defend your own kind without actually understanding the criticizing.

@BluePapaya69

„enlisted was borned as a casual game. always has been and always will be.”

Well as i can see more than 90% of the time you meet casual players on the battlefield so its still is because they don’t play hardcore by any means. And everybody is fine with that I think so are u. And also they dont read this my friend…

i’m sorry, but this point makes 0 sense.

@BluePapaya69

You decided that its a nice day to take your keyboard and start an argument on friday night potentially ending with a drama about the fact that the minority of the clan players don’t deserve what didn’t even got yet, because the modders are not appreciated enough, although they bring much more content to the game and appease more people of all sort supporting the game significantly with that, also mentioning on the way that you hate clans and pro players because they are not playing like you would like….

gross oversimplification.

which really beggs the question what the hell did you actually read.

all i’m going to say is, i’m responsable for what i write.
not what you actually understand.

i was more reminding of the potential of mods and how said development time could be better spended to appease the majority rather than the minority

nothing more, nothing less.

@BluePapaya69

I mean If you want to make drama for tonight just ask as i can see u kinda got it by now….XD

And if u read this I also appreciate if your cons if u have any… I mean u probably will but whatever….XD Just always remember that whatever you are trying to achieve with this writing just ends up keeping a drunk guy awake and nothing more XD

cringy use of xd in 2025.

also, what?

@BluePapaya69

Wish you the best.

you too i guess.

[Conscript_Joe]

All of this feels like

Ohohoh been a while I’ve witnessed such an intense feud on the forums. Carry on ladies and gents

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@ΟоinΚ

Then it is likely it is all about the person relying the information. Maybe until Major came along, no other CM played the game enough to emphasize to the developers the importance of being able to play on custom servers, so it can be just a coincidence that they finally listened when we did tens of bug reports .

well, i do wonder why the previous CMs had to go for the whole… ““fiasco”” of WT of the truck on the parade, or if they really were incompetent.

i don’t buy it.
but we’ll never know for certain.

but sure.
let’s score one for major i guess.

@ΟоinΚ

Can you explain how are clans toxic at times? In my almost 2 years of enlisted, I often see people hating or disregarding clan members on the forum just for being in a clan, but I don’t see the other way around happening.

i’m sorry but what?

there are good enough reasons to hate clans ( especially toxic one )

and the fact that most are hated it’s a good indicator it self.

granted, there are also the whiney people who get mad for some of the clans trying hard… over a casual game. but most are toxic.

even in this very thread.

they started blasted over a mere " friendly " reminder of a thead

i’m sorry, not here to insult you since you kinda have been the " nicest " out of the bad bunch,

but you really lack awareness.

mr gladiator, evo_eva, sometimes berlinoid, most of the U45s whom they think to be hot shots… when in reality the are hot ****s.

@ΟоinΚ

Do you know that almost daily there is a guy commenting in game about how he much he hates us for just playing the game?

as much you guys loves to dish out some " free " hate i’m sure you are all accustomed to the internet.

@ΟоinΚ

Do you know that almost daily there is a guy commenting in game about how he much he hates us for just playing the game?
Had you posted this thread without any references to clans what so ever, I am pretty sure nobody would have argued with you.

are you seriously playing the victim now?

how can you be this obtuse.

jesus.
take a look at this thread and the responses on this thread.

i even gave receites which you DEFINITELY saw ( i’m being sarcastic. )

@ΟоinΚ

maybe they just aren’t allowed to make the sdk public, maybe they are afraid people will use the content they already created and take ownership of it. So let’s say they can’t / won’t make the sdk public, what other solution is there besides reworking the mod tool like I mentioned earlier?

just a whole load of bull crap. i’m sorry.

but it is entertainin someone who had no idea and just started to engage with this conversation just to think to outsmart someone just to be ( i wouldn’t… really say this lighlty ) but schold and proven wrong on most stances and points while providing points on the whole modding discussion etc.

yet you have no idea who i am ( which you don’t necessarily have to ) but act all surprises and makes the most basic questions.

i’m starting to think you haven’t really read pretty much anything and are just here for arguing trying to defending his own kind.

cute, and i’m all here for it.

but i’ll give you this, you certainly lasted more long than half of your buddies.

so… take an award to the… remind me what clan are you from again?

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@Conscript_Joe

i would hardly qualify this as dumpster fire.

just some very biased people having an hard time to digest the truth.
but no matter what, they have to defend their clan. it’s about life or death

they cannot afford to think logically.

[Cleetus_WA]

I’m genuinely confused why anyone is framing reality as “clans vs. modders.”

It makes little sense and is, honestly, off-putting.

I would like to be able to chat with people who I’ve friended in game. I have some in-game friends that I don’t communicate with in any discord or other manner so it’s basically pointless to consider inviting them to a game. No idea what nation or BR they might want to play so I mostly just decline friend requests now.

I also think clans should be able to have tags that children can’t simply coopt.

Along with that, I would love it if mods got some support but I have no idea why that has to be mutually exclusive.

[Conscript_Joe]

Well it’s as much it as we can have it, nowadays…

Early, less censored days of the forums are long gone…

But I’m picking no side here and will just watch

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@Cleetus_WA

I’m genuinely confused why anyone is framing reality as “clans vs. modders.”

It makes little sense and is, honestly, off-putting.

well, they have started a war.

i just provided a bit of resistance.

they had it " nice " and easy for way too long.

@Cleetus_WA

I would like to be able to chat with people who I’ve friended in game. I have some in-game friends that I don’t communicate with in any discord or other manner so it’s basically pointless to consider inviting them to a game. No idea what nation or BR they might want to play so I mostly just decline friend requests now.

and what have they delivered since then?

but no.

clans must be a priority even though we don’t have most of that.

again, their words, not mine ( i would challenge to find them if you think the opposite )

@Cleetus_WA

I also think clans should be able to have tags that children can’t simply coopt.

more like attitude problems and in desperate need of attentions.
but to each their own i suppose.

@Cleetus_WA

Along with that, I would love it if mods got some support but I have no idea why that has to be mutually exclusive.

well, ask that to the Cm and some of the devs he somehow convinced.

again, they are the reason why they selfishleslly plugged themselves and had it easy since the CM was along with it all over again.

[BluePapaya69]

You are funny.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

thanks i guess

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

also i sure love the pattern behavior of every single clan member that walked in this thread

• tunes in to support his clanmates or other clans
• tries to argue with some rather selfish reasons
• refuses to elaborate ( or cannot elaborate )
• backtracks pointing how i am the problem / throws the wildest projections when actually challenged
• cannot objectively think for the good of most players rather than their own
• leaves

and these are the people who we’re supposed to listen

and then there’s OinK. which i sort of respect, but has kinda no clue why he is here or what i actually stand for nor truly knows who i am.

now, i wouldn’t consider my self a pillar of this community, but i kinda have been around for long enough to have made some impact in my time. but not alone. with an actual community of people.

reminiscing about the past ehi? but self shoulder tap aside,

i am not the one selfish around here.
you people on the other hand, are.

and cannot accept numbers at face value.

[ΟоinΚ]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

are you seriously playing the victim now?

Not playing the victim. I am just telling you how to avoid needless discussions if you want your thread to stay on topic. The more people argue, the less likely it is for your suggestion to be considered.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

but it is entertainin someone who had no idea and just started to engage with this conversation just to think to outsmart someone just to be ( i wouldn’t… really say this lighlty ) but schold and proven wrong on most stances and points while providing points on the whole modding discussion etc.

How am I trying to “outsmart” anyone? I took interest in your topic, gave my opinion and asked for yours in order to better understand where you are coming from. How can you even take this in a negative way?

@ErikaKalkbrenner

yet you have no idea who i am ( which you don’t necessarily have to ) but act all surprises and makes the most basic questions.

I don’t know you , you don’t know me. Again, how is asking basic questions a bad thing if I am not familiar with this issue? Aren’t you here to talk? Are you here just to argue?

@ErikaKalkbrenner

i’m starting to think you haven’t really read pretty much anything and are just here for arguing trying to defending his own kind.

How can this be true if we have been talking for the last 2 hours each time quoting each other and provide answers to the text quoted?

You managed to find something negative even in my interaction with you. You are actively pushing away even the people interested in what you have to say. How is that a normal thing to do?

@ErikaKalkbrenner

so… take an award to the… remind me what clan are you from again?

I am a U45N member

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@ΟоinΚ

Not playing the victim. I am just telling you how to avoid needless discussions if you want your thread to stay on topic. The more people argue, the less likely it is for your suggestion to be considered.

well, i suppose at least i tried.

beside, i do care about this game for everyone else.
and it’s only passion being showed here.

@ΟоinΚ

How am I trying to “outsmart” anyone? I took interest in your topic, gave my opinion and asked for yours in order to better understand where you are coming from. How can you even take this in a negative way?

because you kept goal shifting at every message trying to excuse clans.

remember?

you started with " it’s easier to implement clans rather than customs improvement ".

to which i showed you that custom content is pretty much " there ".

you then started diverging onto " ask the CM. do not take it with us " which i showed the various answer we got, and also noted how it reeks of the CM own doing given his own actions.

you then started to shift towards the " clans taking " credits and how it’ doesn’t matter etc.

to which i replied to you how clans actually did it, tooya in particular alongside other U45N " receits " at the starts WHICH YOU DEFINITELY watched. ( no you didn’t. but i’m used to people not reading half of what i type )

and then you started to question what i did having no clue and now you’re shifting the goal post again as " we are the one being hated, not you ".

really?.

@ΟоinΚ

I don’t know you , you don’t know me. Again, how is asking basic questions a bad thing if I am not familiar with this issue? Aren’t you here to talk? Are you here just to argue?

the ever growing shifting your goal for your own argument is not just asking basic questions.

as for me, well, i think it’s kinda obvious what i’m here for.

although i have few regrets, not having done this thread in day time.

@ΟоinΚ

How can this be true if we have been talking for the last 2 hours each time quoting each other and provide answers to the text quoted?

because you have yet to accept or come to the realization that time wasted behind clans improvement would improve customs and mods in general FOR EVERYONE ELSE.

your clan included.

and i have no stakes in any of this beside, making more content for other people. and potentially my modding path crossing with other clans ( which i did in the past ).

so no, i’m not here " hatin " free on clans.
just to set the record straight and give this community what it needs and wants.

more modded content.

i can guarantee you that you and me might eventually leave at some point, but modding content will stay.
that is, should stay.

people come and goes, but modding is eternal.

@ΟоinΚ

I am a U45N member

well at least you are more composed than most of your colleagues.

i’ll give you that.

anyway, we have been around the rosies for quite some time.

2 AM here so…

i did certainly enjoyed this convo out of most of your colleagues. or… i guess Our*.

but for today that’s enough of my " wisdom ".

tomorrow perhaps i’ll be ready for round 2.