Wikipedia is a bad resource.
Especially when there are only English and German, Japanese and Swedish versions.
The numbers are still too big for such a short period.
Yes, some random russian dood at enlisted forum is by far better option.
Well you can go to nearest library and find your own sources about detachment kuhlmey.
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Hans-Joachim Marseille - Wikipedia This pilot had 158 kills against Western allies, pilots that had much better training and equipment than Soviet pilots. And he did it in span of 2 years.
Its now hard to get those kills when you fly against hordes of enemy planes that are worse than yours and you have better training, experience and talent for flying.
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No better,no worst,equally.
However, these figures are more realistic.
Also, 28 Panfilovs had no problems destroying hordes of german tanks with infantry.
Well im not dipping my spoon to that soviet propaganda pudding.
Believe what you want, I simply gave you example.
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Well, you can go with your english-germany propaganda.
Well atleast its somewhat realistic so il choose that. Have a nice day.
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And have a realistic good day with your wikipedia, which knows only the truth.
I am more pro german than pro russian, since i am Lithuanian, but for me its not hard to believe the story of Paniflovs 28 men. It is possible.
Why are people arguing over these issues âwas it real or notâ. Talk about the discussion of PVE coop missions. Tell us what you think would be good.
I have a few that would fit into Stalingrad as an example:
Stalingrad
- The grain elevator.
- Pavlovs house.
Moscow
- Maybe give you as the russians a T34 tank and counterattack the germans.
There are many more to think of.
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Thank you for the good note in this topic.
Somehow moved away from the topic.
Thats entirely different subject, if someone wants 28 soviets to defend theyr motherland from hordes of nazi zombies, T-800 terminators and unicorns ( Because why the fk not ? ) I dont mind, as I never considered this game as historically accurated in any manner.
But asking such mission and saying its historically correct is slightly wrong as Im somewhat intrested of history.
Or very least be ready to provide actual prove about the historically correct clash between soviets and terminators riding unicorns.
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Hartman this is absolutely true down 300+ planes.
28 Panfilovs are pure fiction.
Somehow it sounds biased.
No one can prove its a myth, and never will. No one can prove it is real, and never will.
But still those people died for their country and we should respect that. Keofox himself tought about i think doing that, and encouraging people to look up paniflovs 28 men
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I have no doubts to neither paniflovs 28 men, nor hartman.
I agree.
Someone is telling the truth, someone embellishes, someone on the contrary downplays.
You never know where the truth is, where the lie is.
Even if you have a time machine, you wouldnât know the truth anyway.
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Because its impossible to fly more than 1 sortie / day ?
28 untrained peasants stopping well armed & well trained army with stick and stones.
You said it.
Then it cant exactly be called as historically accurated if it cant be proven.
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A lot of events from WW2 can not be proven 100 procent. Get the stick out of your ass for once.
I dont usually use the âBiasâ card but you saying that germans were the most well trained, and well equiped army, and that soviets had sticks and stones is very biased.
Those âwell equiped germansâ didnt have proper winter gear even.
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Because shot down 1 plane every 3 days its impossible.
You said it,just read again your message.
We are not scientists to talk about it.
Historical or not.
There is nothing historically accurate.There is no pure truth.