High BR german plane changes/addition

These planes are the sole airforce of germany at high BR,and all the planes in it just lose out compared to 2 single planes in the western allies’ arsenal at similar BR,the AP4c and the P47.these 2 planes have very very high applicability against infantry and to a smaller extent tanks (you can pen tanks from the top with HVARs if you try and the 500lb bomb on the P47 is plenty for any tank),and their ability to fight other aircraft is also very potent as the AP4C has 4x20mm cannons and the P47 has 8x12.7mm MGs,in addition both can be used simultaneously by 2 seperate people.this leads the plane game to be imbalanced quite heavily when germanys late game aircraft have the flight performance of a bathtub and the turn speed of a battleship,or have absolutely no anti infantry armament to speak of.I will list some changes to the german plane line and 2 additions to it. Before I start,i would like to say,the US has gotten the pershing that can kill the king tiger AND you are getting the super pershing as well,so arguing about balancing regarding tanks is pointless, and if this suggestion does happen it will probably happen when that is added anyways.

late BF109 G variants get 250kg bomb-these aircraft are fine at dogfighting,but are pointless to use after you are done,whereas US fighters have suspended armaments to use afterwards.these planes can use one of these bombs (the other option I was thinking of would be a flame bomb,but I dont think that would be of much use).in exchange for having better turn speed compared to US aircraft like the P51,AP4,ext.,it has an armament with less power (P51 with 2x500 lbs bombs that are roughly the same as 250kg bombs and AP4 with 8xHVARs that are massively against infantry).the reason I’m not going to suggest one for the BF 109 K4 is because that one can only use a 500kg bomb and im pretty sure that would be labeled as overpowered immediately.

move FW variants to BR4-these planes are a pain to use,no other way to put it,they roll like crazy,the turn speed is higher than 98% of all planes in game,and the armaments are just meh.the 190 A8 has less 20mm ammo than the AP4c,higher turn speed,and the 2 slightly better rockets don’t compare to the 8 slightly worse rockets of the AP4.the 190 D12 has again,later turn speed than the P47 (and the JU87 D5,ill mention that again in a second),its “counterpart” for high teir bomber,and its armament is the same as the JU87 D5,with the changes being a lot less 20mm ammo,a 30mm cannon with only 60 rounds,no tail gunner,and some 13mms.the 190 D9 premium is little better than those 2 in term of suspended armament with 8x 50kg bombs,but primary armament takes a blow by having only 2x20mms compared to 4 of the A8,along with the horrendous turn speed and handling.to move these variants to BR4 would give the figher variants to where the AP4c is in BR and the bomber will get a replacement for BR5 (see below)

New BR5 bomber,DO 335 B2-a very fast prop plane that would have 1x500kg bomb and 2x250kg bombs

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Do_335_B-2

New BR5 figher,Re.2005 serie 0-an italian figher similar to the G.55 already in game,but with a better armament.it could have either the same 2x100kg bombs as the G.55 or a single 250kg bomb.

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Re.2005_serie_0#Armaments

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Ew. Do’s. Screw those pieces of garbage. I’d hunt down and send every last one hurtling to the ground in a fireball so fast it’ll rival how quickly I send Dicker Max tankers to the fiery depths

Jawohl the Luftwaffe in high BR is terrible.
Bf 109s without bombs or rockets, FW 190s that cant even fly normally, Me 410s with mini load of rockets or bombs that nobody uses…

But lower BR is good.

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in german faction only that tier1 Romanian fighter has good payload, rest of all fighters are shit… on the other hand american have a best fighter app4c with god damn 8 hvar rockets

agree with you, we should have more planes with good payload

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And mid tier. Bf 110 g2 is absolutely the best br 3 attacker that i can think of

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No

I think they have enough variety of aircraft
They even have high explosive machine guns
This is something other camps don’t have

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Every aircraft should come with some kind of rocket or bomb load.
Also Im all for more Italian aircraft :pizza: :pray:

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Fix fockewulfs in the first place

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The Soviets have certain ILs and Yaks.

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Germany’s large-caliber aircraft cannons are a mixture of armor-piercing and high-explosive shells (most of them seem to be like this)
The Soviet ones were simply armor-piercing projectiles (at least I never saw them explode)

? Iirc the 37mm of the Germans is buggy and most of the time doesnt even pen tanks.
Its pure HE.

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I know
But this is an official issue
Maybe their engineers were arrested and sent to Ukraine

But the BK 3.7 is bugged and fires blanks instead of AP.
The only othere plane with useful AP is the BF 110 premium from tunisia which apparently isnt that great eighter.

Every othere nation gets planes with 20mm cannons aswell so that isnt something special. Even the US gets a number of them with hispanos.

Alot of the german airforce is buggy and in shambles

  • HVAP rounds on 110 c-6 not working
  • General AP rounds on 37mm underperforming
  • 30mm HE "sometimes kills tanks it cant pen
  • 190 flight model is terrible (and there is heaps of them…worst fighters in game)
  • High BR fighters no bombs and low ammo

Needs alot of work

109 k-4 should have a 500kg bomb

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I’d be happy even with a 250kg one…

It’s strange axis has the least equipped fighters in the game, at high br… :neutral_face:

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K4 only has option for 500kg or for 2x 20mm cannon pods.

I know. I’m just saying I’d still be glad with a lesser bomb. Better than no bomb at all… like all axis high br fighters…

And the JU 188 gunners being bugged constantly as well.