Lol the 91mm is the penetration of M72 shot at 0m, not armor of the vehicle.
well i dont speak frog nor do i have WT so easy misunderstanding 
i know that it is 60mm armor at an angle, so idk its effective armor.
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angle is 60° for front glacis and 40° for transmission housing so that would make effective armor ~120mm for front glacis and ~80mm for transmission.
so theres counter after all anyway
stug ? IV F2 & J
And arguably that one premium N from stalingrad.
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Pz. IV f2 and G, stug 3, Pz.III N, stug III A, pz. III j1 and M, puma and borderline for pz III. J and m41
Sure, J1 has about equal chance against KV1 as jumbo has against kt2.
None of the 50mm’s are even remotely a counter to KV.
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they can pen it and destroy it. unlike almost any other tank that cant even pen hetzer frontally.
Oh no my BR2 tank OHK the enemy’s BR3 tank, NERF!!!
so after all there aint that many of actual counters for KV1.
And what comes to J1 penning KV its pretty much same situation as it was back in moscow t-50 v J1.
Sure you could drop the 2-3 guys out of the turret but could not destroy the tank.
Yeah ofc, theres that small weakspot for KV1 frontally which about 99 % of time aint visible due to clutter on the maps.
And that frontal flanking rarely works.
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oh no much higher, with it being able to bounce tiger 1 shells which is probably my favorite WT experience
idk what you actually call a counter? 8 tanks can actually pen KV1 and destroy it (some need multiple hits but they can still do it). also i made mistake with 91mm armor (should have been 120mm), so there are basically no allied tanks that can frontally pen hetzer. ffs not even US AT gun can pen it and destroy it.
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perhaps something that can reliably kill it without silly ass frontal flanking ?
Just flank it frontally, jump out and TNT ?
The angle is 60 degree from the front, but it will be less then it most of the time since hetzer is shorter then most other tank.
Also, effective armor is not the only stuff to consider, most shell will have less penetration against sloped armor.
all 8 of those tanks can kill KV1. maybe they cant one shot it (although you could detonate it with one shot and right RNG), but they can kill it with multiple shots. they are not defenseless. also one more mistake i made. KV1 zis5 is BR4, so there is basically no BR1-3 tank that can kill hetzer on soviet side.
how about we put it on br4? at least 1 kv1 is on BR4 also.
yeah i know, but it is ok approximation. btw i made mistake again cause not even kv1 zis5 can pen it with 60°
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with that logic of yours I dont see why murricans couldnt kill hetzer either, after all you dont even have to kill it with 1 hit to be “counter”
Just shoot it tracks & gun and finish the job once the crew bails out.
Super easy and reliable counter.
Its BR3
Still BR3
with what exactly tank? i made assumption that 2 tank can counter it when i thought that hetzer had 91mm effective armor, not with 120mm armor.
btw only tanks that can pen 60mm armor at 60° are firefly and pershing.
All of them ? Shoot the gun, proceed to destroy tracks wait till crew bails out and finish the job.
Or after all that flank it.
Shouldnt be any harder than frontally flanking KV1 with J1
come up with real argument at least. shoot every misc part, spend 5 minutes hunting down the crew is stupid argument for balancing tanks.
still 8 tanks on BR1-3 can kill its crew while they are inside the tank. lucky shot can even detonate it. exactly how many of tanks can do it to hetzer frontally?
btw i was talking about zis5 as only potential tank that could pen hetzer and it was on BR4…
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Ah yes, because counting on RNG jesus and shooting anything between 15-50 shots with J1 to turret of KV is totally reasonable argument.
With your logic all of them.
Tracks, gun both can be destroyed, both are visible frontally.
You just need to count on little bit on RNG jesus to crew to bail out. Thats all.
and conveniently you leave out those tanks that can basically OHK KV1 on BR1-3. at least 3 of those can destroy KV1 frontally by aiming at ammo. 2 others can kill all crew in turret without any problem and they can also penetrate hull depending on the angle/elevation.
not to mention loads of tanks that are not mentioned here can shoot through MG port. but hey hang to your strawman argument.
quite sure ive simply pointed out that none of the 50mm tanks are a counter to KV1.
Which 99% of time aint visible, also pointed out earlier.
Oh cool, so hetzer is no problem as long as its in correct angle ?
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