I have been really struggling trying to find workable SMGs for my German tier 3 squads. MG34 is awesome and the Gewehr 41 is working well, but the SMGs just seem so underwhelming, especially compared to the competition.
I hear a lot of praise of the MP40, and using it I can see why, but it feels very outclassed vs the PPSH recoilless lazerbeam or the Thompsons that 2HK out to beyond 100m. This is just the general trend im running into, with German SMGs combining low ROF with low hitting power and somehow still only a handful having controllable mid-range recoil(like the MP40).
I thought the MP 35/I would be a small direct upgrade over the MP40 from looking at its stats, but instead it just seems worse, somehow its less controllable and jumps around a lot despite having lower horizontal recoil. The only ones im really liking are the Beretta M1918, due to its great rof making it actually usable in CQC(though near useless further than that) against the super low TTK allied guns unlike the MP40, and the ZK-383 which is controllable and has good ROF. But that is shockingly few guns considering the sheer bulk of SMGs in this tech tree, are they really all trash?
Anyway, BR3 geman tech tree smgs are decent. They are definetily not the top, but not everything needs to be meta. And they can do their job pretty well.
At BR2 you have nothing, all your smgs are inferior to PPS-42, Lanchester and Japanese Type 2a.
At BR3 you have a couple of things, ZK-383, MP-41(r) and Suomi KP-26, TZ-45.
So i have no problem with BR3 however BR2 is too damn weak, Germany needs a couple of BR3 smgs to get downtiered to BR2 to have fighting chance at BR2. And no crappy MG13 is not enough to offload massive disadvantage of Axis crappy smgs. PS VMP should be lowered to BR3. And i wouldn’t mind a couple of new smgs at BR3 for the Axis since you mainly use same smgs over and over again.
Beretta m1 can deal with pps-42 obviously cuz bias is inferior but with some practice + a decent aim You you turn it in a very good smg, the Mgs in low tier are very sad (specialy the breda) but the Best one is the ZB-26 (at least the madsen is not a pain in the ass)
high DPS guns are definetely meta on all BRs.
I feel like that the solution isnt adding new guns or downtiering but nerfing the Pps-42.
Fixing the broken dispersion and increase reload time of the box mag ppsh41.
Give SMG damage drop to Thompsons, those guns were insanely overbuffed up to counter STGs, but once a US AR gets added, it wont be necessary anymore.
Are you joking? They would be completely useless. The bullet velocity is just awful. I can’t even comprehend that someone thinks that Thompsons are in need of nerf.
br2: MP40 best
br3: Zk best
optimal: dual wield mp40 first zk secondary on BR3 as they are perfect for long/mid (mp40) & short range (zk)
the mp 35 is a slightly better mp40 but not worth the silver as mp40 is still great on br3 and has more immersion
Thompsons are a joke, they work nothing like they did in reality.
Thompsons have weird dispersion values, especially the premium 100 which has less dispersion than actual ARs.
They have over buffed damage over distance. Damage drop is closer to carbines than SMGs which is weird.
Over nerfed recoil.
I want standard dispersion for all Thompsons, less recoil and less damage over distance. Seemed reasonable to me.
For BR 2 use the Beretta M1, it’s essentially a MP 40 but with +8 more bullets.
For BR 3 it’s either the ZK or the MP 35, both are excellent, MP 35 fires slower but has very good ttk because of it’s dmg, while ZK fires way faster, so it just depends on what you prefer the most.
