Enlisted’s classifications are a bit of a mess anyways. Bit of a pain to correctly do things. Especially with different definitions and opinions on what goes where within the community and surely within the dev team themselves. I genuinely think firearms need a rework from the ground up. From stats to classifications and what goes where
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Automatic rifles? No. Assault rifles? Yes. But this is all rectangles are quadrilaterals but not all quadrilaterals are rectangles. An assault rifle is an automatic rifle. However, full powered automatic rifles do not belong in the hands of assaulters. BAR, T20, FG 42, etc
You’re reading a bit too much into it my friend
But I do care about classification. That’s why I said Assault because it is an assault rifle. Select fire, intermediary
And that is where I disagree because of gun classification. The G43K is an AR. As my point said
I got opinions on them too. The M1E5 was designed for Paratroopers. I wished it was for a paratrooper squad.
Now I will say that ironically before I made this thread I thought maybe instead I’d do a thread about all my gold order grievances and tweaks, but like I said one problem at a time. Don’t worry in time I will make them, as well as reiterating the G43K
I’ve been starting to think this because automatic rifles were specialist weapons. Bolts and semis were the backbone of every country
Eh? This is one of them kinda sorta not really things. Depends on the weapon, army, time frame, and couple other factors
There should not be major changes to gold order (or BP) weapons once they are released. Years AFTER they became unavailable it is just nonsense to suggest it.
It would do nothing good for the game to ruin the Kurz and would anger plenty of people.
Troll thread.
I mean specialist because they were uncommon and used for specific roles. The Rifleman was armed with a bolt or semi rifle.
Thus Assault is the class for automatic weapons.
I don’t think they’ll change automatic rifles anytime soon. But that’s why we’re discussing it. Just throwing the idea around
Didnt the MKB 35/III get class shifted first? Since that happened, I wouldnt be surpised if the Kurz got that treatment also (not saying it should)
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After nerf nobody really uses it anymore so i dunno why you want to nerf it further. You may think people would move to Breda PG CR but that weapon is even worse than a post nerfed Kurz you can’t hit anything in a burst fire after initial first shot anything else is rng that lands all over the enemies it needs a buff more than your suggestion.
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Eehhh it really does depend. At one point a number of nations looked into providing automatics to all soldiers. The main reasons for not doing so are automatics are a MASSIVE pain to keep operating and logistics. Machine guns are just constantly breaking themselves apparently. Just always needing some sort of maintenance or repair. They need a LOT more ammo than bolt actions and semi auto’s as well. Higher ups were fearful that having a full auto would encourage a soldier to waste more ammo than was necessary
IF there was a nation with the production capabilities and the forward thinking leadership to adopt full autos en mass, we absolutely would’ve seen them as we do today. As is most nations stuck to a lot of bolt actions, some light medium and heavy machine guns, and a couple SMG’s to go with them. America being special and making a good enough semi auto for frontline service
Now most automatics that weren’t LMG’s were given to special troops. The BAR to the designated auto rifleman. The FG 42 was strictly for the elite paratroopers. However, StG’s were given to any and all Volksturm who could get their hands on one, and trials for automatic rifleman’s weapons were taking place such as the T20. Far as I can tell just about any Joe could trade his Garand in for a Thompson. The Red Army used many SMG’s and somehow I doubt they were stingy on who got em. There are exceptions to only the specific specialist gets the fun toy
It was never about HA it was only about nerfing top tier Germany, if they really cared about HA they would never add AS-44, T20, Ho-Ri and 1944 Hyde to the TT.
We still have Breda PG CR as a burst rifle but it’s one of the worst BR5 rifles it has laughably bad accuracy of the bursts and nobody uses it even for novelty sake.
Here we see the difference of our perspectives. Some argue from a “meta” perspective in that it’s stats, nerfs, buffs, etc; while I look at it mechanically: it’s a select fire intermediary gun therefore assault rifle simple as
There’s a difference between “we’re adding these prototypes and this block of wood to balance the trees” and “this firearm is entirely, 100% incorrect in its portrayal and we are going to fix it”
So mechanically speaking do you want to take LAD away from the Assaulters and give it to machinegunner too?
I see it as: People spent gold orders (and for some people real money) on Kurz due to some of it’s characteristics. Coming in now and suggesting changing those makes their investment of much lower (or no) value.
At the same time, it does nothing to measurably improve the game for anyone. G43k is not that common to see these days. It’s not like every match is dictated by who has it.
All this would accomplish is piss people off (way more people than it would please). Therefore, a terrible suggestion.
The irony with the LAD is that it truly is epitome of a sub machine gun. So no.
It’s a pistol caliber automatic gun, so SMG
Fair points, but people were pissed that it’s burst was removed eventhough that was a complete fabrication. They bought it, but the gun was incorrectly represented. The devs correctly fixed it. So in my view the devs should give it its final fix
I strongly disagree with your view. I wasn’t very happy when they removed burst (or very upset), but what you suggest here would really frustrate me and many others. And bring nothing of value.
So. Enough said, I guess. I think it’s one of the worst suggestions I’ve seen in quite some time so at least you have that going for you!
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I don’t think it would be a big deal. I’m pretty sure every squad can have an Assault so you have one guy who can use it if one chooses so. Or all the Assaulters (4) in one Assault squad
but why bother? You’ve removed almost all value from the gun. And I wouldn’t have needed an assaulter to run it before your horrid suggestion.
Just go come up with a useful suggestion that brings value to the game.
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