Yeah. I mean, I’ve got several handguns including a tokarev pistol so I know the difference between them, but I’ve not shot SMGs. But it’s rather obvious the PPSH-41 should have more recoil no matter what angle you approach for it in any realism aspect.
It’s like debating whether 9mm or 40cal should have more recoil. One round just has more energy, and blah blah physics.
It’s TTK is already insane due to the ROF and damage, idk why it needs zero recoil too.
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I mean, there /is/ more to recoil than just the round’s energy, but yeah. The PPSh-41 should have more recoil as far as physics is concerned, real-world examples, and simple game balance.
PPsh already has an insane recoil per second about 233, which is relatively high as an SMG.
For the moment of playing all campaigns 100 hours in total,I fell that Normandy is more or less balance,Moscow also but I think there, the allied players are better,I encounter more people with avs36,ptrs,dp27…while in normandy which I play more I almost never enounter an m1a1 thompson or some other last level gun.
And in Berlin the things are worse for Germany,the soviet weapons are way better,for example the premium ppd is way more powerful than the mp40 with 2 magazines,in fact in Moscow you unlock the mp40 at level 9 if i´m not wrong and the ppd 40 at one of the last levels,also the first smg,the pps42 is so good compare to the mp3008, the dp27 is better than the mg34 and the ppsh 41 better than the mp35.
And also I have the feeling that the allied players here are better than the axis ones.
How to balance this,put more powerful or at least weapons to counter,for example changing the premium low performance mp40/1 with an erma emp44,mp35,or even an stg prototpe,and then put more stg´s instead of copy paste weapons as the mg34 or beretta m38
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FG42 II fits this role more. Just remove FG42 dogshit and give Germans Stg as infantry weapons. It’s a weapon that makes everybody unhappy, for soviets and americans why germans can have everybody equipped with an LMG for germans why this dogshit is such so uncontrollable and with only 2 magazines.
To make FG42 usable you must squat and have the -40% vertical recoil perk at the same time. I don’t care about the fact that 7.92 Kurz is not able to one-shot at 50m, but it’s much more important for me to shoot accurately than just seeing muzzle sight floats directly into the sky
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what?
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Exactly. Mg beats that pizza disc every possible way
Sure, but that comes with a fast time to kill. Meanwhile an MP40 has a recoil per second at 158. Damage per minute is 5500 vs 2850 respectively for the PPSH-41 and MP40 respectively. Or to break it down further, 23.6 units of damage per unit of recoil per second for the drum mag PPSH-41 vs 18 for the MP40.
Even if we want to compare even-level weapons, with the box mag PPSh-41 and MP 35/l, we get 20.6 and 16.3 damage per unit of recoil per second, respectively.
The Beretta 38? 17 damage per unit of recoil per second.
VG1-5? 15.4 damage per unit of recoil per second.
MP.3008? 19 damage per unit of recoil per second.
Quite simply, soviet SMGs outclass German SMGs, in regards to not only damage per second, but also the amount of recoil you’re required to handle in order to deal damage to enemy soldiers.
For the other three soviet SMG’s damage per unit of recoil per second in comparison;
PPS 42 - 14.3
PPS 43 - 14.3
PPD 40 - 22
So certainly, the first two SMGs for Germany are more controllable than the first two Soviet SMGs, while not having as high of fire rate. But after those two the higher level German SMGs fail in every context vs the PPD and PPSHs, which are ultimately more controllable than those two more controllable german SMGs as well, respective to the damage you deal.
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THx for that. You have given an detailed elaboration on why all Soviet SMGs are better than their german counter. And Soviets would also get weapons which uses Intermediate cartridge for both assulter and gunner squad, Berlin would favor Soviets in any aspect except planes sooner or later. That’s why I decided not to play Berlin anymore. Considering you would get Stg at the same late period(30+ levels I believe) just like in Normandie it offers another reason for those who main Germany not to play Berlin
Are we playing the same game. I point, click and entire squads die when I use my soviet assaulters.
What are you talking about? All media clearly state that germans sucked and they could resist mighty allies only because aliens helped them!
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Never got the retroactive historical narrative of saying the Germans sucked. It means 500+ thousand of my countrymen died fighting idiots with horsedrawn supply trains and overly complicated tanks. Millions of troops from around the world struggled to stop bottom tier retards.
Like…I understand nazi bad, but why denigrate how hard the fight was?
Had the same attitude when I was fighting in GWOT. You want to call them "stupid dirt farmers’ but those stupid dirt farmers pulled off a complex L shaped ambush involving overlapping sectors of fire with PKMs, RPGs, AKs and an SPG9
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Totally agree on the skills part. Sometimes you get lucky and get put on a side that just has more skill and the weapons dont necessarily matter.
Some guy on another forum said he has been playing Berlin for quite a while, and said that he the win loss ratio was 6 to 20 for the Germans.
Guys as we have already mentioned, it’s not all about the weapons. A lot of it has to do with the maps. Most of the time the Germans are defending, but literally are put in poor positions that are wide open while the backside of the battle is stacked with cover, and is the high ground. The flanks are also so fat that the Russian tanks can just flank from anywhere they want. Defense of a city or town should most of the time be somewhat in favor of the defenders who been in place for awhile and have built fortifications. This game does not represent that at all, and in fact makes it the opposite in favor of the Russians. Example of German spawn that can easily be fired on by Russian tanks has already been mentioned a couple of times. These maps were either designed poorly, or were intentionally made in favor of the Russians.
As far as the weapon argument goes anyone who is claiming that this is balanced is an Allied fan boy. It’s not even close to being balanced. Germans have the better LMG’s, and MMG’s, and the Allies have better everything else. The fact that the MP40 which is one of the most iconic weapons ever is so weak in this game, is mind boggling, and such a false interpretation. Meanwhile the PPD’s are basically frost axes, lol. So long to that famous German engineering we all know about.
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Seriously, it’s pretty conspicuous that the STG is not in this game. Funny how that is the case.
The STG isn’t in the game yet for the sole reason that the developers plan to add it later, in order to spread the interesting stuff over a longer period to boost the longevity of the game.
It’s 100% business, you can drop any conspiracy theory.
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I thought that might be the case, and I hope your right.
Lol, the Germans did not suck at all. Hitler made some terrible decisions during the war based on his overinflated ego, and need to rub it in everyone’s face that really cost them, Stalningrad being one of the biggest. He let his personal feelings get in the way of sound military strategy.
He thought they were unbeatable, and he could just do anything he wanted.
I’ve always thought that the germans should get pre-built fortifications and maybe AT guns instead of shitty sandbags that obliterate from one grenade
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